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[MatthewV]

link to puzzle

[Guest]

Well, it doesn't look like a straight crossword...but who would expect it to be.

Assuming it's somewhat word related, ClO4- is perchlorate (hidden).

Not sure where the binary digits come in...if they do...

[Zotmeister]

I lack the time to work on this right now, but I've noticed that {the answers to the clues all seem to contain a number, and only one cell in the grid for that number in its row, so I'd expect answers to be written in as "2night", "4ever", and so on}. - ZM
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[3iff]

Nice spot Zotmeister.

[3iff]

I wonder if the number conversions are based on binary digits 1,2,4 and 8.
That's what I seem to have so far.

Spoiler follows for most answers. DON'T LOOK if you want to get them yourself!!!


in4rm
2night
cre8
summ8s
2gether
?
every1
1derland
4ever
2tor
separ8
4titude
1derous
?
2sday
perchlor8


Credit to Zotmeister. I would never have seen that, especially as some of my guesses were wrong!

[Zotmeister]

Okay, so I have more time than I thought I did. After filling in a few clues, I think I know why it's called "Binary Digits": {I've only used '1', '2', '4', and '8' so far}.

...Um, is the "solve math" line a cell short? I want to say it should read {'calcul8'}... - ZM
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[Zotmeister]

I think I have a couple more you don't:

"learning helper" = {'2tor'}
"renounce anger" = {'4sake'}

Your answer for "original making" doesn't match the clue's tense, but perhaps it's right anyway; your answer for "spread knowledge" has an extra character that's redundant with the digit. - ZM
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[3iff]

That renounce anger one had me foxed...

I see what you mean about spread knowledge...maybe in4ms will do it??

So, just stuck on "from the crowd".

Apologies to the puzzle setter for getting (most of) it so quickly.

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I would've guessed educ8 for "spread knowledge."

[Zotmeister]

[Newish Boy]

[Newish Boy]

I'm not sure about "renounce anger" ... the suggestion of 4sake seems a little too general.
I think plac8 might be a better fit, but I'm still not sure ...

[GH]

Could "renounce anger" be "4give"?

Also, "astonishing" is probably "1derful," since "wonderous" would be misspelled (wondrous).


Here are a couple things I tried that I don't think helped:
I wanted to read a message vertically through the clues, so I was thinking about how to line them up. I tried sliding the clues left and right so that the digit in each clue would fall in the "correct" column. That doesn't seem very promising, mainly because of "every1." I thought about starting each clue in the "correct" column, but "every1" causes me problems again, because it's not at least 8 characters long.

[Logain]

Just noticed people had been poting about this puzzle.

Looking at my list,
"solve math" could be estim8
"from the crowd" could be any1

I had a couple others that differed from 3iff's list, but they've been since mentioned by other posters I see.

Also...the only numbers used are 1,2,4,8 which are the the binaries 1,10,100,1000.

[Zotmeister]

[Hand-E-Food]

Damn, there goes my theory. I thought that each answer contained only letters, but never the same letter twice. It worked for "TONIGHt", "EVeRYONe", "FOREVer" and "PERCLOrATe".

[Hand-E-Food]

Is it just me, or does "PERCHLOR8" not fit properly?

Solve math = 4MUL8 ? Again, doesn't fit.

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I believe "solve math" is evalu8.

[3iff]

Nice work every1
We seem to have a reasonable word list that most are happy with (famous last words)

With the odd grid alignment, I was assuming the two vertical columns of 10 and 8 letters might spell another word or two, but they don't.

Is there now another step involving the binary equivalent of the embedded numbers? I've tried taking the character of each word where a binary 1 would appear...ie D of EDUC8, H of 2NIGHT etc...as counting from the right (normal) or even trying from the left but I seem to get an odd assortment of letters that don't lend themselves to acceptable anagrams.

Of course, we might be finished on this puzzle???

[Lambert]

Four 4 letter words appear downwards: DIRE; HARD; ROSE; FISH
when you enter the most probable answers:
EDUC8; 2NIGHT; CRE8; EVALU8; 2GETHER; ANY1; EVERY1; 1DERLAND; 4EVER; 2TOR; SEPAR8; 4TITUDE; 1DERFUL; 4GIVE; 2SDAY; PERCHLOR8
Disappointing but probably the correct solution.

[Newish Boy]

The suggested answers so far contain four words with the digit 1, four words with the digit 2, three words with a 4 and five with an 8. If one of the 8s was changed to a 4, it would make a more satisfying puzzle. I think that cre8 for "original making" seems a bit weak ... might it be something with a 4 in it? 4mat would fit (but still seems weak), giving dime instead of dire as one of the vertical words ... any other possibilities?

[Lambert]

The confused eerie, bald madman has a valid point.

Confused? I am nice Mr Bear!

[3iff]

Good point about having the numbers balanced...

...but turning Dire into Dime??? Does that bring us any closer to an 'answer'??

[Newish Boy]

Well... it's very tenuous, but each of the four words could be associated with "bowl" ... fish-bowl, rose-bowl, dime-bowl, hard-bowl (had to google for that last one ... see link).

I still think I'm missing something ... what's that "How do you work?" stuff all about?

[Guest]

I feel like 3iff's idea about indexing into the word based on the binary equivalent of the number feels like the right way to go, although I wouldn't count the digit itself when doing so (eg, for EDUC8, 8=1000 in binary, the 1 in 1000 is four spots in, so take the fourth letter in from the right = E. EVERY1 would equal Y).

Also, all of the digits are either at the beginning or end of words, so maybe you count in from either the beginning or end of each word depending on where the digit is.

Then the staggering might tell us the order in which to take the letters, eg start from the leftmost and work right.

All sounds good, except I can't get anything but gibberish. Also it would mean that "CRE8" is definitely wrong, since you (obviously) can't go in four letters.

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[Varrack]

For "original making", how about 4GED?

[3iff]

Yeah, I just get gibberish too...

Regarding the ordering of words, counting from left to right, each word containing a specific number is offset slightly, so that there is a definitive order for each group (except the 8 group!)

So, we have
1derland
every1
1derful
any1

and so on...

the only problem is that educ8 and perchlor8 both start in the same position.

Secondly, apart from getting the word EVEN fron the 1s group (see above), I can't make anything from the rest of the groups...even if offsetting the letters +/- 1.

[Newish Boy]

I still think those four letter words appearing in offset vertical columns can not be a coincidence. I think we need to do something else with dime(?), hard, rose, fish ...or it's a VERY clever attempt to distract us.

Could they be clues to another set of words containing similar digits? Eg Fish could be 2na or sk8 ...

[3iff]

Newish Boy.

devious...but nice spot...

Those 4 words are (probably) there but are fairly meaningless in themselves. Perhaps they do link to other words as you suggest. One problem with some of these puzzles is that it's hard to know when we reach the end...

[Guest]

Rose fish is probably a "red herring."

Jangler

[RiddleWithDoubt]

[RiddleWithDoubt]

well, this probably means nothing...but why the hell not? here goes...

i thought what i'd do was take each number left to right, up and down, and line them up to see if they may have said something, like: 'one for two' or something like that (why did i think that'd work?) 14224124282811888 needless to say that came up with nothing...so now i'm thinking that perhaps it could be an exponentially increased number starting from either 1 or 14 or broken down into a binary code...i would attempt it myself but i'm not too sure how the rules are with binary and crap and how they apply to other numbers. i'm also not too well with figuring out mathmatics and finding shit like that.

in fact, i'm sorry i even wasted your time.....
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[Newish Boy]

Well done Jangler ... I think that could be it!

Not quite there yet, but the answer to the question in the text "How do you work?" could be something like "Damn hard" or "Darn hard" or even "Durn hard" - I can't quite get that first word .... and the other two words are indeed a red herring!!

As far as that first word goes, the possibilities seem to be:

First letter: D Educ8 seems fairly clear, though there could be alternatives.
Second letter: I I'd like this to be an A or a U, but I have no suggested alternatives to 2night.
Third Letter: R and M have both been suggested ... there may well be other alternatives ...
Fourth letter: E and N are both possible (from Evalu8 or Numer8) ... there'll be other possibilities for this too.

[RiddleWithDoubt]

AWESOME!! glad to know i'm WAY off base...sweet.....
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[3iff]

It's out of the pattern but,

VERY crosses HARD (R is common to both) which might be a very good answer but probably not the one we're looking for.

I still can't get anything meaningful from the dire/dime/???? area...

[Zotmeister]

I was thinking that "dime" could be construed as "10", which is two in binary, which would explain why the machine doesn't reply - it's working "two hard" to stop to answer.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

I hope I'm wrong. - ZM
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[3iff]

Actually, I like that answer...it seems fitting...and it matches the way rose fish is turned to red herring...

[Newish Boy]

That'll be it ZM ... I'll rest easier tonight!! Sorry ... make that 2night!

[MatthewV]

Hmmm? I don't understand any answer that has been given. I don't think you have it yet.

[3iff]

Aaarrrggghhhh

and so close, too.

So, where do we go from here??? All suggestions very welcome.