The Excessively Bloody Affair of the Belgoody Mafia-FINISHED

[Elayne]

We will be poking Leo with a cattle prod. Electric if necessary.

If someone would like to replace him, contact L'layne.

[Leonidas]

Stop it, stop it, I'm here. 2 secs, 2 secs, please, please, pretty please.

[Leonidas]

Good Lord, I know that my performance has not been great yesterday, but guys, is this really all you could come up with in my absence? This is outrageous. I expected someone to identify the remaining scum, so we could get this over with. But nooope.

--> I'm confused now.

[Lauritz Melchior]

I think that it's one of the two woodsmen, and I'm going to vote Courk

TCM was adamant about getting amb lynched. I'm not particularly suspicious of Courk, but I think that there would be one mafia member from each group, and only woodsmen remain.
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[Courk]

If you're not suspicious of me, then why are you voting for me?

At least you're making me doubt that you're mafia. Two players have said SW seems most suspicious and obviously SW won't vote for himself. If you were mafia, knowing that lynching an innocent lawyer today would win you the game, I think you would have added your vote to SW and hope that Leo follows. You and SW couldn't both be mafia because then we would have already lost.

[Lauritz Melchior]

I'm voting for you because I think that there is one mafia Lawyer, one Detective, one doctor and one woodsman. Based on that, I believe it to be between you and TCM, and TCM was adamant about getting amb lynched. However, I will unvote you and read with sweetwater in mind as possible scum.


unvote: TCM
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[Courk]

^{Psst. My name's Courk.}

[Lauritz Melchior]

unvote: Courk

Hey there! Courk! Good to see you old pal!
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[The Cheshire Man]

Laughing Out Loud!

I agree with Courk that LM would have been happy to swoop in by now if he were scum. I feel much better about voting SW.

SW, LM, TCM...keeping track of the players in this game is like fishing around in a bowl of alphabet soup.
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[Courk]

Eh, it doesn't make a difference anyway. Vote: sweetwater

[Courk]

SW/Elite
Pros:

• Said he thought Sam was more likely to be scum that Persona

Cons:

• "I have no hands, I can't kill."

Leo
Pros:

• Sam and mith were going after him day 1.
  
• Argument thing between him and amb

Cons:

• Hasn't posted much...

LM/Vegt
Pros:

• Didn't jump at the chance to vote for SW. It's explained in one of my recent posts.
  
• Vegt initially brought attention on amb
  
• Vegt pulled the whole it's-me-or-Dan thing, and was essentially doomed the next day had it not been for esme's evidence. A pretty risky thing for scum to do considering esme was innocent and didn't lie to save him.

Cons:

• I really can't think of any.

[The Cheshire Man]

Bump-ump-a-dump
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[Courk]

Who is SW's replacement?

And Leo isn't even averaging a post per page.

[Lauritz Melchior]

Well, I'm definitely seeing SW as being quite suspicious, but I worry that lynching him isn't the smartest thing to do, even if he is the most suspicious. I thought that somebody said that it would be game if we lynched the wrong lawyer today. Based on that would it not be best to lynch a woodsman today and then the most suspicious lawyer tomorrow?
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[L'layne]

We have exhusted our replacement list and are seeking more.

[Courk]

If a woodsman is lynched today, tomorrow is a do-or-die situation. But, tomorrow all it would take is for one person to make a mistake. One innocent votes for the other, and the mafia swoops in to add the deciding vote. Today at least two innocents need to agree that someone looks suspicious.

If a lawyer is mafia, lynching the wrong one does end the game. But, if a lawyer is mafia, how does lynching a woodsman help? At least if we lynch an innocent lawyer today and are still playing tomorrow, we would know it was a woodsman.

[Lauritz Melchior]

The thing about that is, I'm certain that TCM is not mafia. He was adamant that amb be lynched, even when nobody followed him. You, I'm pretty certain are not mafia, however, I'd rather lynch you today to make sure that you're not mafia (there haven't been any woodsmen mafia yet. And if there weren't any woodsmen mafia, why would the mafia not kill off one woodsman every night? I'm pretty sure that there is one). If you're not mafia, then I'll vote for SW tomorrow.

vote: Courk

I'm sorry, but I think that it's our safest bet. We've got to make a sacrifice here. It's cold, we're hungry, and you drew the short straw. We'll remember you with love after we're done eating.
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[Courk]

You say you think TCM is innocent because he was adament about getting amb lynched. I was the first person who pointed out that a doctor was likely to be scum. Heck, I didn't just point it out, I supported my belief with evidence. I had tried to kill the extremely scummy looking mith, and he lived, having been protected by a doctor. Mgm backed this up the next day with his evidence, and Sam/Da5id's death proved it.

[Courk]

Oh, my theory as to why the mafia didn't kill off woodsmen is because they know that none of the woodsmen were mafia, but the townies don't. As long as the town believed that there was a mafia in every role, then woodsmen made nice lynching candidates.

[Courk]

To anyone who wondered who the first person to propose a mafia for every role, it was Dan, in post 356:
"Assuming four mafia, there's probably one scum in each role (roughly)."

Look at the mafia kill list:
Courk (woodsman) night 1
FF (doctor) night 2
STD (lawyer) night 3
esme (detective) night 4 - this is the point they had to get detectives out of the way because keeping them alive no longer protected scum detective mith
Persona (doctor) night 5 - had to kill the good doc even though it was suicide so that Mgm would be available to kill the next night
Mgm (detective) night 6 - last detective, had to die

The mafia have killed the same number of woodsmen as lawyers.

I'm not sure if that really makes any point.


Anyway, if SW is not mafia, and we're playing tomorrow, then we'll *KNOW* that a woodsman is mafia. Right now you're just guessing and hoping that I am, even though you're not suspicious of me. Today, you know nothing about the scumminess of us woodsmen; should we be playing tomorrow, you'll actually know.

As I said before, it does not help the town to vote for someone who you do not think is mafia.

[Lauritz Melchior]

unvote: Courk

Leonidas or SW? Leonidas hasn't really done much of anything lately. He could just be biding his time and hoping that we'll lynch SW.

SW's whole "I have no arms" thing rubs me the wrong way.

Courk and TCM: have you two already used your NKs? I can't remember =p]
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[Courk]

I tried for mith, TCM killed IS, so yes, we're used.

[Lauritz Melchior]

Okay, thanks. One question before I vote for SW:

Does anybody find the banter between amb and Leonidas on Day 1 (2?) strange? The one where amb accused Leonidas of lying, when it was obviously an innocent mistake. They vote each other, and then unvote each other. It vaguely seems to me as though they were trying (poorly) to pull the ol' mafia trick of voting for each other so that, in case one of them is found out, the other can say, "I voted for him!".

Actually, on second thought, the attempt (if that's what it was) was way too poor to actually be a mafia ploy.

vote: SW
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[Courk]

To me it seemed more like an attempt by amb to throw suspicion onto another person.

[L'layne]

Vote count, unless I am mistaken...

5 to lynch

4 Sweetwater (Lauritz Melchior, Courk, The Cheshire Man)

Not voting (4)
Sweetwater, Leonidas

No deadline set yet.

[Courk]

I'm not going to ask for another Leo poke just yet. Hopefully he'll read the thread.

[The Cheshire Man]

The whole "why won't Leo apologize" thing that amb came up with is a big reason why I'd bet the game that Leo's innocent. When you have that many people to aim the mud at you wouldn't sling it at your ally.
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[The Cheshire Man]

We are waiting on Leo to vote Sweetwater, or give the rest of us a good reason not to.
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[Courk]

Poke him, bludgeon him, do something. This is annoying.

[Leonidas]

vote: Sweetwater

sending us into night at worst.

[L'layne]

Well that solves the replacement for sweetwater problem.

Everyone gathers and drags off Sweetwater who had fallen asleep during the very long day and lynches him.

Everyone runs back to his room searching, hoping to find they key to leave.

They Search

And Search

and find........

Nothing other then some legal briefs.

Night falls, send choices.

[L'layne]

Day dawns for three people.

You quickly establish that Leonidas is no longer amoung the living.

3 people with 4 votes amoung them. 3 votes to lynch

Good luck.

[Courk]

Since we're still playing, that means a woodsman is scum. It's not me. Once again, here is why I am innocent:

I tried to kill mith on night 3 (see the BANG). The only woodsmen alive at the time were me, TCM, and IS. IS claimed the kill of Macnut on night 1, so he was used. The only people who could have caused the bang are me and TCM. TCM later claimed the kill of IS on night 4, meaning he couldn't have used his kill on night 3.

Later, I pointed out that mith was looking horribly suspicious going into night 3, which is why I tried to kill him. Any pro-town doctor who was paying attention would have noticed that as well, and wouldn't have protected someone who was so obviously scum. I was the one who pointed this out, and I was the first person to actually suspect a doctor. The next day Mgm's result was 'doctor,' confirming what I was saying.

If I were mafia, why would I point a finger at the doctors, before anyone else suspected them?


TCM constantly voted and unvoted:

Day 1:
Vote amb

unvote amb
vote Jedo

Day 2:
Vote amb

confirm vote amb

unvote amb
vote veg

unvote veg
vote amb

Day 3:
vote amb

unvote amb

vote amb

Day 4:
vote mith

unvote mith

Yes, a lot of that is voting for people who turned out to be mafia. I'll have to see if he only revotes when a bit of the heat is off. Despite his constant voting for amb, it still took amb 3 days to die.

At any rate, I am not mafia. Tell me why you might even suspect me more than TCM and I'll address your points. I know this will be a tough choice for you -- even I thought TCM was innocent, but the fact that we're still here proves otherwise.

Vote: TCM

[Courk]

Also, notice that Leo is dead. Yesterday you showed that between the two of us woodsmen, you were most suspicious of me. If I were scum, why would I keep you alive, knowing that the chances of you voting for me were high? Scum TCM, though, would not want the unknown Leo to be alive -- he hadn't shown any sign of which woodsmen he suspected more.

[The Cheshire Man]

Holy cow. Well done, Courk.

Vote: Courk

You had me almost completely fooled. That was a gutsy ploy, claiming you had targeted mith when your attack on me failed. You served mith to the town on a silver platter...but then again, he was pretty much caught, wasn't he? And you clued us in that there might be a scum doctor. Not many people would have taken those risks, but in your case they paid off. Now I understand why you wanted us to lynch a lawyer yesterday: you knew if I got lynched than the last woodsman would be the prime suspect on the final day.

LM: you were right, there was one scum in each profession.
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[Lauritz Melchior]

Way to go Courk, casting doubt on me!

Now I'll have to go back and look over voting patterns =p]
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[Courk]

The first moment I realized that a doctor protected scummy mith, I hadn't really thought everything through yet.

[Courk]

BTW, Lauritz, when you re-read, keep in mind I was in this once, then died before replacing Xylax.

[Courk]

Around June 27 is when I took over.