The Excessively Bloody Affair of the Belgoody Mafia-FINISHED

[Mgm]

No, I won't lynch Leo.

I'm agree with Vegetable.
It's much to easy for ambidextrous scumbags to trick us.
Let's lynch amb first.

[Persona]

I think you're wayy overestimating the importance of ambidexterity. First, cops have a pretty bad shot of getting the handedness of the kill as their evidence. It could be the age, the height, the hair, or the gender (I forget exactly if this plays into it or not) instead. Then, there's also a chance that the mafia detective will plant evidence. No matter what, we gotta question a little whether a right-handed result really means that or not.

That being said, amb's done a good job of moving the game along. Leo has at least showed willingness to post more than once. So, operation Lynch the Lurker proceeds.
Unvote: Leonidas
Vote: MacadamiaN

[Mgm]

An ambidextrous killer could've stuck a knife in Belgoody's right side and claim a right handed person did it? I'm confident scum detectives can fake that such a thing too.

[Amb]

[Amb]

Players by Hair Color
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Brown
Courk
Dan
esme
Jedo
Vegetable
Red
Faeriefire
mith
Persona
The Cheshire Man
Grey/White
Mr. Internet Stranger
MacadamiamaN
Mr. Xylax
Black
Elite
Leonidas
MGM
Samadhi
Save the Dragons
Bald
amb

This might help us a little, for Hair Colours. Let me know if I missed anyone or made a mistake.


Someone else want to do a height listing, or a skill listing, etc...

[Mgm]

You don't need to look it up. Vegetable admitted he was an ambidextrous lawyer and that it was probably suicide. But he's got sound logic, so I'm not moving my vote.

It's not about activity, it's about what's more dangerous for the town, and several people agreed lynching a lawyer is the best way to go. Lynching an ambidextrous one is the next logical step (as Veg explained).

Yes, we could go after Vegetable too, but I don't tend to vote people who come up with possibly suicidal plans early on.

[Faeriefire]

I'm tempted to vote for Leonidas to keep things rolling, but I think that an ambi is just more dangerous.

[MacadamiamaN]

I'm sorry for not posting yet. I was waiting (well, not waiting, but expecting) an email like the good 'ol days. Haven't played or logged in since the recoding a year ago and now we have private messages.

Just spent awhile reading everything. Amb seems to be the most suspicious but not to the point of voting for. Big holes in a plan that could be seen as an attempted sabatoge from the inside perhaps..

My only other suspicions are directed at the grizzly Internet Stranger. All he's done is "lynch him, lynch him!" Sure it's the first day but why be so aggressive to turn it into night?

So an official FOS: Internet Stranger is necessary I suppose. I probably should just vote for him as it is the first day... but I'd like to see him say something other than "lynch lynch lynch!!"

[Internet Stranger]

lynch lynch lynch!

and to make it different:

NOW!
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[Leonidas]

Hmm. So the reluctance of a detective (Mgm) to lynch me does not make a difference, IS?

[Internet Stranger]

Leo, its lucky if I even bother to read the last post before I post myself. I just want someone lynched,
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[Save The Dragons]

[mith]

Leo, the detectives don't have any findings yet. If we did, there would be no reason for us to not just say what it is.

[Samadhi]

"I never understood why people always insist on lynching the most vocal people. Then they wonder why games tend to stall so much." --Lynched pro-town role

It's from another game, but it sums my thoughts quite well. Damned if you do, damned if you don't (when targetted). I like to speak my mind, and I'm constantly called scum. Oh! He's too defensive! Oh he floated and didn't drown when we threw him in the water!

Seriously. Let's lynch lurkers. It's good for the game. Lazy not participating people need to die meta game wise.

I really, really find it unforgivably stupid to focus on someone who is contributing and attempting to provoke discource, and then vote for them because you disagree with them.

I personally think that Amb is trying a bit too hard to be helpful. BUT HE'S BEING HELPFUL. And participating! Even if he's scum, he's talking. If he's scum, we'll catch him later. How do you catch someone who says nothing?

[Internet Stranger]

Wow Samadhi. Whoever said that quote is a truly a wise man.
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[Persona]

And the lurker count decrements by one! *ding*

Unvote: MacadamiaN
Vote: Xylax

And Leo, what mith said. It feels like you've been bounced from lots of games early recently, but that kind of appeal to impossibility doesn't help your case.

[Leonidas]

vote: Persona

My "having been bounced" from other games is both unfortunate and irrelevant.

[Leonidas]

Ahhh, but he's a doctor. Deliciously frustrating.

unvote

So please, Persona, feel free to elaborate further on my poor skills as a mafia player. I can't vote you, can't kill you, so this is the ideal forum.

[Samadhi]

Unvote Leonidas
He's playing now.

[Save The Dragons]

Sorry. If I find someone suspicious, I'll just not vote them and go for a lurker instead. Man, I've been playing wrong this whole time? Thanks for opening my eyes.

I'll give anyway, since no one is interested in amb. Give me which lurker you're voting for, and I'll do double damage to him, Samadhi.

Unvote
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[Save The Dragons]

[Mgm]

[The Cheshire Man]

Because it can be a bluff. But you're right: GLers tend to look before they leap, and then leap anyway to see if the hole is as deep as it looks. Tell us, "Lynch me and see, if you don't believe me," and more often than not, we take you up on the offer. So I'm inclined to believe your innocence. For now.

I will Vote: amb, because (as Mith pointed out) we should be concentrating on Lawyers, and because (as Vegetable just pointed out) we should be concentrating on ambidexterous players (even though I'm one myself). I will also point out that if an ambidexterous scum gets to choose which hand he/she uses, and it comes to light that an ambidexterous scum killed someone with his/her right hand, then we should look for a mafia whose membership is predominately left-handed, and vice versa. After all: if you could choose which half of the room to make look guilty, which side of the room would you choose: the one with all your friends, or the one with all your enemies?
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[Save The Dragons]

One game on MS everyone bandwagoned me, and when I said that they could go ahead and kill me because I was a townie, the bandwagon disapated. I can't remember if the two events were related, but still. Although I really was just a townie.

The tone sends red flags. Not necesarrily scummy, but something that catches me as out of the ordinary.
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[Courk]

Sorry I haven't posted in a little while. I'm actually a bit behind on the reading (maybe 1 - 1.5 pages). I'll read those tomorrow and post any thoughts I have, then I'll keep up.

[Jedo the Jedi]

I am quite happy with my vote on Leo, but apparently things are not heading in that direction. If my only other real choices are Vegt and amb, then I would rather lynch Vegt. If he is really offering himself as a suicide, then we should go ahead and lynch him. Leave alive the one that wants to live and kill the one that wants to die. It's as simple as that.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[MacadamiamaN]

The first day is always a plethora of votes and misdirections based on the littlest of "evidence," so going along with this I may as well vote for the person I see as the most scummy, and vote: Internet Stranger

[Vegetable]

[mith]

[Xylax]

vote: amb

a good canidate + ......+ im not in the mood 2 type much + internet not working + earthquake = excuces x everyones now going 2 band wagon me = geton with it + ....... =
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They also say that one can take a camera, actors, and a set and shoot a video or movie worth 10,000 words,
But with a computer and a few clicks of a mouse, one can create an environment so detailed and imaginative, so realistic and ambient, so that it can often render the viewer speechless. -Xylax

[The Cheshire Man]

Save The Dragons: You are very perceptive, and very correct. There definitely is something different in my tone, and it's a difference caused by something I find very interesting. Allow me to explain:

In most mafia games, you start out with little or no information Day 1: you know who's playing, and who got killed night 1. You then work from there, discussing the paucity of information and random voting until the town as a whole figures out who knows too much and who seems to want the wrong things, and then you lynch them in hopes that you've found mafia. That's why I tend to offer a lot of conjecture early on, and save my opinions and accusations for the midgame and endgame.

But this game is different. First of all, we already know everyone's (supposed) role. So if a player is acting strangely defensive or recusatory, safe bet it's because they're scum, and not because they're a doctor that doesn't want to claim. If someone has more votes than voters, we know who the "mayors" are. If an extra body shows up at night, and someone claims to be responsible, we can see whether or not he's a vig. If a player is dropping hints that another player is guilty, we can check to see if the player dropping hints is a detective (not that detectives work that way in this game, but you get the idea). Scum can't blame their behavior on a bogus role, like they can in normal mafia.

Second, we get a little piece of deductive evidence each day. It's day one, and already we know that either one or more members of the mafia are right-handed/ambidexterous, or a scummy detective planted misleading evidence. Admittedly, that's not much to go on now, but I imagine as the game progresses, the clues pile up, and the suspect list dwindles, some of that information will prove very damning. The tidbits of evidence mean I can approach this game almost the way I do Liar's Poker. That, plus the aforementioned role list, means I can use deductive reasoning instead of inductive, and therefore be more sure of myself.

I'd like to congratulate L'layne on coming up with something more than just another gimmick. Mafia, much as I love the game, usually devolves into a debate and rhetoric competition. Belgoody mafia already feels more like a detective story, or a good puzzle.
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[Elayne]

Hats off gots to L'lanmal for the idea. I just run it.

[Elayne]

Speaking of which, if at the end of tomorrow we are not at least half way (if not more) to a lynch, expect a deadline to pop up.

[Persona]

First, Leo, no offense intended, I just like to spread out the fun, so your being untimely ripped from earlier games was a defense, not an attack.

Second, unvote: Xylax
Vote: Dan He had a one-night reprieve, but really should have checked in again by now.

[Save The Dragons]

[Vegetable]

Oh well in that case.... um.... new game style.... uh.... we know everyones role..... what he said!!

Nah, I'm just kidding. I understand that I'm acting abnormally. I feel like I'm not doing my job (whatever that job may be) if I don't stand out. Please don't equate strangeness with scummyness, lest we end up with a site filled with identical players.

Also: Please don't take this post too seriously. I don't want to get to the endgame just to have someone point out "Hey! You made a joke on day 1! Die Scum!"

P.S. Yes, I know I didn't really address Save The Dragon's actual suspicions of me. They're hunches. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying hunches can't be right (I follow my hunches a good chunk of the time) I'm just saying they can't really be argued with.

P.P.S. Hehehehehe I just had a funny idea "Yeah well my hunch says your hunch is wrong!" "My hunch could beat up your hunch!" etc...

[Internet Stranger]

Just keep letting me know when the bandwagon lead changes so I can jump on it.
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[mith]

I suspect it already has.

I had to leave early, and thus am steal the limey chick's internet, so I don't really have time to post much worthwhile. But nothing has changed since my last post anyway.

[The Cheshire Man]

[Amb]

Can we get an official vote count, so I know how close to being lynched I am?