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LoudmouthLee
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 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:06 pm Post subject: 441 |
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Wait, wait, wait.
MUDBUCK!
Are you sure the MP saved you?
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Pooky
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject: 442 |
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I am not MAKING UP shit, I am asking the questions as clearly as I can.
If Esme got powers from the pigeon, where is the PROOF she got it from the pigeon?
If the Pigeon moves around randomly, what is the point of giving you the previous night's holder?
Mudbuck has already told us that the mafia attack on him took away his Pigeon, why would the mafia attack on Esme night4 not give them the pigeon?
Lastly the Pigeon was stolen from me night 4, if Esme was the one who stole it, and YOUR NIGHT action takes priority, why did you get the pigeon?
Basically what you are saying is that the esme stole from me, then you stole from her, then the mafia killed her.
Under simultaneous order execution, how would that scenario even FEASIBLY come out?
This is absolutely ridiculous. I never made any bullshit about your role, I did not know if you took the pigeon from Esme N4 or N5 and as a result I explained why your role claim does not match up with your actionseither way.
If you really did steal from Esme, then your steal should've NOT gotten anything because if you and Esme execute your orders at the same time then there IS NO REASON you should've gotten the pigeon.
Under simultaneous order execution there is NO way you could get the pigeon.
Frankly I call BS on your role.
It simply does not make any sense.
I did not lose the pigeon until n4, you knew from your role that I had the pigeon in my possession at the end of n3.
How in the world could you possibly read from Esme that she had the pigeon? |
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UnheardVoice
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: 443 |
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What worries me most about Dan's role is that, at least in this game, it seems to be the type of ability that the mafia is most likely to have, assuming they have extra abilities. Certainly it would be in the interest of the mafia to search for the Pigeon every night. Dan could have taken a negative role and spinned it positive.
I still don't like how Dan didn't refer to himself as "Father Aaron". And I don't like how Dan, as a "priest", steals the Pigeon from others. Arrrgh.
Why isn't mudbuck dead yet? Aren't doctors somewhat high on a mafia's hit list?
Lee: mudbuck is out camping right now. He won't be back until the 30th (Saturday).
Pooky: Calm down. Geez... |
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Dan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: 444 |
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Just addressing his questions...
| Pooky wrote: |
| If Esme got powers from the pigeon, where is the PROOF she got it from the pigeon? |
How am I supposed to know? Did I ever say she got powers from it? I suggested she might have, but didn't say it was the case. It was a guess, I don't know what the Pidgeon does except benefit who I give it to. What kind of benefits? I don't know, I wasn't told.
[quote="Pooky]If the Pigeon moves around randomly, what is the point of giving you the previous night's holder?[/quote]
Why are you asking me to justify something that was the mod's decision? Maybe TCM wanted to give me more information to prove myself with, you got me.
| Pooky wrote: |
| Mudbuck has already told us that the mafia attack on him took away his Pigeon, why would the mafia attack on Esme night4 not give them the pigeon? |
I don't see how the two events are connected. How do we know that the mafia got the Pidgeon from mudbuck after attacking him and not someone else? And like I said, it's possible that my role, since it's very purpose is to find the Pidgeon, gets priority if I find it.
AGAIN, who says the mafia get the Pidgeon at all when they kill (or try to kill if that's the case) someone who has it? It's a possibility, but we have no evidence for this assumption.
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Lastly the Pigeon was stolen from me night 4, if Esme was the one who stole it, and YOUR NIGHT action takes priority, why did you get the pigeon?
Basically what you are saying is that the esme stole from me, then you stole from her, then the mafia killed her. |
You have your Nights mixed up. Please go back and check, or have the mod PM you the information again. On Night 3 I checked LML's house, didn't find it, but found out that it had been at your house instead, but "might be somewhere else by now."
As far as I can tell the Possession of the Pidgeon at night goes like this.
Night X:
-Person A had the MP on Day X-1 has it at the beginning of the Night.
-Person A loses it or retains it.
-Person B gets the Pidgeon (Person A and Person B may be the same person)
For me to find the Pidgeon, I have to check Person A's house. If I don't check person A's house, I find out it was at Person A's house, but may have moved.
So from the End of Night 2, through Day 2 to the Beginning of Night 3, you had the Pidgeon. I know this because when I didn't find it Night 3, I was told it was actually at your house, and not at LML's.
So your information that you lost it Night 4 is inaccurate, you lost it Night 3, esme got it at the End of Night 3. A the Beginning of Night 4 I found it at esme's house. Please go ask for confirmation from the mod on your information.
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| This is absolutely ridiculous. I never made any bullshit about your role, I did not know if you took the pigeon from Esme N4 or N5 and as a result I explained why your role claim does not match up with your actionseither way. |
You did nothing of the sort.
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| I did not lose the pigeon until n4, you knew from your role that I had the pigeon in my possession at the end of n3. |
Ah, I see, you do realize there is a discrepancy. Go to the mod and have your information confirmed. It's possible that you had the Pidgeon until Night 4, and by some complicated series of events I got it from esme's house, btu I agree with you, this doesn't sound likely and doesn't make sense. So if you confirm your information with the mod, and still disagree with me about when you had the Pidgeon, I will be forced to vote you because, to me, it proves you're scum.
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| How in the world could you possibly read from Esme that she had the pigeon? |
I already told you this. In the last post she made that day she expressed serious certainty about Samadhi's guilt, but with no explanation. In Post 219 she does this. She doesn't post for the rest of the day. I figured the person with the Pidgeon would not want to reveal themselves, but still would vote for Sam since they would know he was lying about having the Pidgeon. Esme's post and vote fit the bill. I was right.
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Dan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:55 am Post subject: 445 |
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Just addressing his questions...
| Pooky wrote: |
| If Esme got powers from the pigeon, where is the PROOF she got it from the pigeon? |
How am I supposed to know? Did I ever say she got powers from it? I suggested she might have, but didn't say it was the case. It was a guess, I don't know what the Pidgeon does except benefit who I give it to. What kind of benefits? I don't know, I wasn't told.
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| If the Pigeon moves around randomly, what is the point of giving you the previous night's holder? |
Why are you asking me to justify something that was the mod's decision? Maybe TCM wanted to give me more information to prove myself with, you got me.
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| Mudbuck has already told us that the mafia attack on him took away his Pigeon, why would the mafia attack on Esme night4 not give them the pigeon? |
I don't see how the two events are connected. How do we know that the mafia got the Pidgeon from mudbuck after attacking him and not someone else? And like I said, it's possible that my role, since it's very purpose is to find the Pidgeon, gets priority if I find it.
AGAIN, who says the mafia get the Pidgeon at all when they kill (or try to kill if that's the case) someone who has it? It's a possibility, but we have no evidence for this assumption.
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Lastly the Pigeon was stolen from me night 4, if Esme was the one who stole it, and YOUR NIGHT action takes priority, why did you get the pigeon?
Basically what you are saying is that the esme stole from me, then you stole from her, then the mafia killed her. |
You have your Nights mixed up. Please go back and check, or have the mod PM you the information again. On Night 3 I checked LML's house, didn't find it, but found out that it had been at your house instead, but "might be somewhere else by now."
As far as I can tell the Possession of the Pidgeon at night goes like this.
Night X:
-Person A had the MP on Day X-1 has it at the beginning of the Night.
-Person A loses it or retains it.
-Person B gets the Pidgeon (Person A and Person B may be the same person)
For me to find the Pidgeon, I have to check Person A's house. If I don't check person A's house, I find out it was at Person A's house, but may have moved.
So from the End of Night 2, through Day 2 to the Beginning of Night 3, you had the Pidgeon. I know this because when I didn't find it Night 3, I was told it was actually at your house, and not at LML's.
So your information that you lost it Night 4 is inaccurate, you lost it Night 3, esme got it at the End of Night 3. A the Beginning of Night 4 I found it at esme's house. Please go ask for confirmation from the mod on your information.
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| This is absolutely ridiculous. I never made any bullshit about your role, I did not know if you took the pigeon from Esme N4 or N5 and as a result I explained why your role claim does not match up with your actionseither way. |
You did nothing of the sort.
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| I did not lose the pigeon until n4, you knew from your role that I had the pigeon in my possession at the end of n3. |
Ah, I see, you do realize there is a discrepancy. Go to the mod and have your information confirmed. It's possible that you had the Pidgeon until Night 4, and by some complicated series of events I got it from esme's house, btu I agree with you, this doesn't sound likely and doesn't make sense. So if you confirm your information with the mod, and still disagree with me about when you had the Pidgeon, I will be forced to vote you because, to me, it proves you're scum.
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| How in the world could you possibly read from Esme that she had the pigeon? |
I already told you this. In the last post she made that day she expressed serious certainty about Samadhi's guilt, but with no explanation. In Post 219 she does this. She doesn't post for the rest of the day. I figured the person with the Pidgeon would not want to reveal themselves, but still would vote for Sam since they would know he was lying about having the Pidgeon. Esme's post and vote fit the bill. I was right.
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Dan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:56 am Post subject: 446 |
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Used preview this time...too late.
It's not that bad.
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Pooky
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: 447 |
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| I will check with the mod on the timing of the loss of the pigeon. |
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Pooky
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: 448 |
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I just got mod confirmation, the pigeon was stolen from me on night FOUR.
reconfirm vote dan
I am 100% sure of dan being scum at this point.
I will be blocking mudbuck again tonight, if a kill occurs, mudbuck is a confirmed innocent, if there is no kill, then we will have our scum nailed down. |
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Dan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: 449 |
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As I said, I'll be voting Pooky now. I know where the Pidgeon has been. I know he's lying.
If that's not good enough for you, look at his role-claim. I think it's highly unlikely that we would have two role-blockers in this game.
Also, he claims to have blocked mudbuck last night, and wants to "block" him again tonight. Isn't it a little convenient that he's offering to block the role that doesn't give back results, i.e. mudbuck won't know he's blocked. (in my experience Docs have worked like this).
And why would any self-resepcting townie want to BLOCK the doc in such a close game! What has mudbuck done to deserve this suspicion? He's the only person to claim Doc, are you suggesting this game doesn't have one? Why do you want to role-block someone who's so key to winning this game?
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| I will be blocking mudbuck again tonight, if a kill occurs, mudbuck is a confirmed innocent, if there is no kill, then we will have our scum nailed down. |
What on Earth are you talking about? If there is going to be a kill tonight, it's gonna be mudbuck. You're logic is along the lines of "throw the witch into the water, if she drowns, she wasn't a witch". Lord man, if you actually were a role-blocker I'd be seriously pissed with you.
Vote: Pooky
LML, what are you up to, what are you thinking?
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Dan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:41 am Post subject: 450 |
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| Pooky wrote: |
| I will be blocking mudbuck again tonight, if a kill occurs, mudbuck is a confirmed innocent, if there is no kill, then we will have our scum nailed down. |
I see now. You want to prevent the mafia from making a kill. Why not try to block the other mafia then and not risk blocking the doctor, who, may I remind you, is KEY.
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Pooky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:50 am Post subject: 451 |
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My suspicion is that YOU dan are lying scumbucket and so is Mudbuck and that's the only reason why a nightkill was prevented last night.
I suspected that the mod decided to balance the game by shorting a role and doubling another, I suspected that the remaining scum was mudbuck/dan and if they would make a kill, they would use mudbuck to make it.
It's the only reason I can see for the "doctor" not being killed for so long.
The Mod has confirmed for me that the pigeon was taken from me on night 4, which means your story of pigeonpassing causing a protection is complete BS and I picked the right scum to block. |
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Dan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: 452 |
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| Pooky wrote: |
| which means your story of pigeonpassing causing a protection is complete BS |
I merely suggested that this is what might have happened. I can't know for sure since I don't know what the Pidgeon does. Mudbuck might be a better source of what happened when he got the Pidgeon.
And I'll ask again, why on Earth did you block mudbuck to begin with? What are you playing at? WHAT made mudbuck so supicious?
BTW, caught you in some flip-flopping.
Just now you said:
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My suspicion is that YOU dan are lying scumbucket and so is Mudbuck and that's the only reason why a nightkill was prevented last night.
I suspected that the mod decided to balance the game by shorting a role and doubling another, I suspected that the remaining scum was mudbuck/dan and if they would make a kill, they would use mudbuck to make it. |
So you theorized that mudbuck and I were scum, so you went ahead and blocked mudbuck. You must have suspected him a lot since if you were wrong you would be blocking one of the town's key players.
But then in post 434 (TODAY) you said:
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| Mudbuck, UV, I am telling this to you because I am quite certain that Lee and Dan are our last 2 scum |
It seems that mudbuck has your confidence. But now you're back to mudbuck? Hmmm, you certainly are a fickle one! In that post you pair me and Lee up so well, and after being so certain about mudbuck last night!
For completeness, here's the whole post:
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Mudbuck, UV, I am telling this to you because I am quite certain that Lee and Dan are our last 2 scum
I am damn sure of it, and I only ask that you discard whatever prejudices you might already possess against me because of lame metagaming(1 of every role is somewhat unbalanced against the mafia, incredibly so, I believe the mod decided to roll dice on which role to put 2 of just so the town couldn't have an overwhelming advantage on the late massclaim.)
Both Lee and Dan have claimed incredibly crap roles that are pretty much bizarre and outlandish.
Lee and Samadhi were both very instrumental in the gathering and the execution of the day1/day2 bandwagons that led to this current situation.
When the Mafia were moving towards the sweep, Lee made a move that showed his gutso and smoothness by outting his scumpartner in a way that was unpredictable, whether they planned it or not, I don't know but Lee's move was something damn good. He managed to generate an artificial schism between him and his fellow scumbandwagonner that had pretty much destroyed the town day1/day2.
He realized that people were going to be taking a look at the day1/day2 bandwagons abd looking for suspicious activity now since day3 there were still no scum down, as a result he decided to prempt the town by making a huge brass balls move by outting his fellow scum to earn the trust of the town.
I'll be the first to admit he had me fooled silly, but frankly now that everything is in the open, it's clear to me(since i'm innocent, that Lee and Dan are our last two scum)
I blocked mudbuck because I suspected him of being scum, and if he was he would be the one with the least probability of receiving my block.
Mudbuck, UV, if either of you place a vote against me, you will have handed this game to the scum, I've played my role as damned well as I possibly could've, and the sole responsibility would be on the hands of you two to make the correct choice here.
Lee's played a damn good game, compared to Dan who has been slipping up scum tells all over the place.
If there is any flaw in my logic, please point it out and I will answer as best I can.
Lee, you have my congragulations in advance, it looks as if the town has been thoroughly duped by your smoothtalk and I doubt I will be able to turn them to see the light.
Dan, you're awful, you're damn lucky you have Lee for your partner, no hard feelings though.
UV, Mudbuck, I won't hold it against you if you make the wrong decision, I only hope that you give my words a chance instead of blindly following that brass balled smoothtalker Lee, he can be quite convincing and I could see myself falling for his crap if I were in your shoes.
With Love,
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But now you're back to chasing mudbuck, since you say you want to "block" him again! Looks to me like you're throwing suspicion everywhere trying to make it stick, you've accused everyone but yourself and Unheard Voice.
(PS, LML, Just to be clear I was mearly putting up Pooky's accusations to show how frantic Pooky is being. I know you're innocent. Everyone else does too.)
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Dan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: 453 |
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Sorry, this post got buried, and I forgot about it.
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| What worries me most about Dan's role is that, at least in this game, it seems to be the type of ability that the mafia is most likely to have, assuming they have extra abilities. Certainly it would be in the interest of the mafia to search for the Pigeon every night. |
It would have been of interest. But why wouldn't it have been of interest to the town too? Since it's (apparently) such a threat to the town in the mafia's hands, wouldn't you say that it's more logical for the town to have someone working to keep it out of their hands?
[quote="UV]I still don't like how Dan didn't refer to himself as "Father Aaron". And I don't like how Dan, as a "priest", steals the Pigeon from others. Arrrgh.[/quote]
What's wrong with being "Father Aaron"? People wanted to know my name, so I gave it. I'm a Catholic Priest, that's what people call me. As a priest who has encountered the Pidgeon before, I know it can be dangerous in the wrong hands. I look for it, I find it. I don't remember every saying I "steal" it (though I suppose I might have). As far as I remember, only Pooky called it that, HM! Just like everyone else in this supernatural setup, I don't know who to trust, so I seek the Pidgeon and give it to people the best way I can see how.
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| Why isn't mudbuck dead yet? Aren't doctors somewhat high on a mafia's hit list? |
So being alive makes him suspicious? This is hilarious. You do realize the mafia don't have a lsit of who's who right?
Right now you and Pooky are the only ones doubting him. I'll agree with you, it appears he is high on the mafia's hit-list!
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UnheardVoice
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: 454 |
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What's wrong with being "Father Aaron"? People wanted to know my name, so I gave it. I'm a Catholic Priest, that's what people call me. |
You didn't call yourself "Father Aaron". You introduced yourself as "Aaron Stave". A Catholic priest wouldn't do that. It's like a sergent in the army saying "I'm Stan Buffalo and I am a sergent." It's supposed to be "I'm Sgt. Buffalo".
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| I don't remember every saying I "steal" it (though I suppose I might have). As far as I remember, only Pooky called it that, HM! Just like everyone else in this supernatural setup, I don't know who to trust, so I seek the Pidgeon and give it to people the best way I can see how. |
From what you say, it sounds like you steal it. You aren't saying that people are just giving it to you, right? You say that you take it, steal it, acquire it, whatever, you take what isn't yours, regardless whether or not the owner is good or bad. And I don't see how emphasizing "supernatural setup" helps, unless you're claiming that the MP magically falls into your hands.
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| Why isn't mudbuck dead yet? Aren't doctors somewhat high on a mafia's hit list? |
So being alive makes him suspicious? This is hilarious. You do realize the mafia don't have a lsit of who's who right? |
Yeah, but mudbuck claimed to be a doctor on Day 1. But instead of getting him, they opted to randomly kill other people, even after they got Mgm the cop on Night 2. Why wait until the game gets smaller before getting the doctor, who then has a better chance of protecting people? Perhaps he's a mafia who claimed doctor. I find it kind of strange that immediately after Day 5 started, mudbuck was quick to say that he was protected by the MP, suggesting innocence. He later stated that he acquired it and lost it in the same night, so his claim isn't even provable.
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| Right now you and Pooky are the only ones doubting him. I'll agree with you, it appears he is high on the mafia's hit-list! |
I haven't forgotten about Pooky, mind you, but I don't want to completely dismiss mudbuck either. I have a feeling that the mafia is either you and mudbuck or you and Pooky. |
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Pooky
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:07 am Post subject: 455 |
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I'm frantic because I'm trying very hard to rescue this game from a mafia for a town that seems to me to not even be paying attention.
I'm frantic because I'm trying to hard.
Would you rather have me take the easy way out like amb did and just vote myself? |
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Dan
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:26 am Post subject: 456 |
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| UnheardVoice wrote: |
| Dan wrote: |
What's wrong with being "Father Aaron"? People wanted to know my name, so I gave it. I'm a Catholic Priest, that's what people call me. |
You didn't call yourself "Father Aaron". You introduced yourself as "Aaron Stave". A Catholic priest wouldn't do that. It's like a sergent in the army saying "I'm Stan Buffalo and I am a sergent." It's supposed to be "I'm Sgt. Buffalo". |
Sorry I didn't play the part as well as you'd hoped. I don't tend to role-play in mafia games.
About the word "Stealing". The Pidgeon has been at a different house everynight. I think it moves every night not because people are stealing it from eachother, but becasue it has a mind of it's own, and randomly flits from place to place. The Pidgeon doesn't "belong" to anyone, it just is in their possession for a little while. It is a force of nature, and it is my role to reign it in.
So I don't see what I do as stealing. The Pidgeon is a greater power that I have to tame.
Regarding whether or not I'm taking it away from a good person: this is where the supernatural setting comes in. Our characters, and us, don't know who is good and who is evil out there. So to err on the side of caution, I'll take it from whoever I think has it and give it to the person I think is the most trustworthy.
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| UV wrote: |
| Why isn't mudbuck dead yet? Aren't doctors somewhat high on a mafia's hit list? |
So being alive makes him suspicious? This is hilarious. You do realize the mafia don't have a lsit of who's who right? |
Yeah, but mudbuck claimed to be a doctor on Day 1. |
Ah, good point, I had forgotten this. He didn't officially claim until later, but still, you're right. I think the reason the mafia didn't go after him is because they had bigger fish to fry. They took out the cop, and I think since then they have been chasing the Pidgeon, just as I have. We did, after all, both guess esme had it on Night 4.
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| I find it kind of strange that immediately after Day 5 started, mudbuck was quick to say that he was protected by the MP, suggesting innocence. He later stated that he acquired it and lost it in the same night, so his claim isn't even provable. |
Well, coming from me you may not believe this, but he did have the Pidgeon, I gave it to him. I did not expect him to lose it immediately, but after thinking about it, it makes sense. Here's my model for how Nights work (again):
Night X:
-Person A had the MP on Day X-1 has it at the beginning of the Night.
-Person A loses it or retains it.
-Person B gets the Pidgeon (Person A and Person B may be the same person)
If I give someone the Pidgeon, and it is going to effect then THAT VERY NIGHT (as it seems to be the case with mudbuck, since he lived), it must be that when I give the Pidgeon to them, they become that Night's Person A, even though they did not have the Pidgeon on the previous day. By my model this means that the person would lose the Pidgeon the very same night. So mudbuck's story fits. I know, this requires you to believe me first, but just in case you decided to...eh you're scum, you're not gonna believe me anyway. 
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Pooky
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: 457 |
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sigh dan,
have you ever heard of probing for a reaction?
So amazingly worthless.
If you really do turn out to be town I am going to find out where you live and shoot you.
But if you really were town then scum would've jumped into the bandwagon with me and lynched you.
Unless we have very sadistic scum who want to drag this out and torture me.
Sigh Sigh.... |
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Dan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: 458 |
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Probing for a reaction? It's not like LML was exactly inactive, or suspicious. Besides catching scum, his message finally went through. He's been proven innocent in every way he can be (within reason). Your "probe" was more like a pointless diatribe meant to stir up trouble.
And where is Lee anyway?
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Pooky
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: 459 |
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Your amazingly frantic spin moves do not fool me scum!
Die scum die! |
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Dan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:39 am Post subject: 460 |
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Huh?
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Pooky
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:32 am Post subject: 461 |
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Look Dan, I know for a fact you are scum because the Mod TOLD me that the pigeon was stolen night 4, and because if you weren't scum, the scum would've jumped the wagon and lynched your crazy butt.
Now either these scum are insanely evil and want to slowly whittle my wits away until I am entirely comatose or I misread my pm and I am actually Mafia.
*Rereads PM*
Nope I'm protown.
So thus you must be scum! |
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Dan
Daedalian Member
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: 462 |
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No, I understand why you're voting me. Rather, I understand you're story of why you're voting me. I was just confused by you use of the phrase "Spin move." :p
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The Cheshire Man
Not a pussycat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: 463 |
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Deadline set for: Wednesday, 3:00pm PST
If you want to get an extension, I need to hear from LoudmouthLee, mudbuck, and UnheardVoice.
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mudbuck
Dirty Dollar
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: 464 |
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| I should start talking again. Let me just think of what to say, first. |
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mudbuck
Dirty Dollar
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:13 pm Post subject: 465 |
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In the story I was given, I at first tripped trying to walk outside, but found the Pigeon nearly afterward.
Then, I was able to walk outside into the night, only to find it uneventful (LML wasn't targeted).
Maybe this was evident of someone role-blocking me, however, which the effect of role-block was worn off by the Pigeon.
It might just be. |
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Pooky
Methuselah
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: 466 |
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Sigh, please prod LML/UV
I don't want to lose this game by freaking deadline
*cry* |
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Pooky
Methuselah
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: 467 |
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To say that I am disappointed by the lack of attention paid by the rest of the town to this game which has led to a deadline instead of a lively endgame discussion of patterns and observations would be somewhat of an understatement.
I can understand if you are scum trying to stall this day out, but I can't for the life of me understand why you would decide to just let the scum win by deadline if you are actually protown.
Please wake up,
somebody...
anybody.... |
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Dan
Daedalian Member
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: 468 |
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I haven't been around for a few days cause I'm on vacation. Forgot to tell you guys. :p I'll be back tomorrow night anyway.
It's not like my views have changed or I have anything deeper to contribute, so I'll just request a mod-prod for LML.
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The Cheshire Man
Not a pussycat
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: 469 |
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LoudmouthLee and UnheardVoice have been prodded.
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UnheardVoice
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:48 am Post subject: 470 |
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Ow.
I've been here (not today though - visited uncle), but I've don't have much new to say. An extension of the deadline would be helpful at this point, by hearing LML, and getting a lynch. I'm not going to vote right now, but if LML doesn't say anything (which will jeoparize the chance of an extension), then I'll vote. |
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Pooky
Methuselah
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: 471 |
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this is absolutely ridiculous.
No1 other than dan and me has said anything substantial for a whole week.
so amazing how bloody apathetic the rest of this town is to this life or death lynch.
why did you people bother playing this game to the end if you weren't planning to discuss the critical lynch?
I so should not have signed up for this. |
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LoudmouthLee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: 472 |
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Okay.. here we go.
I'm at a loss, still waiting on Mudbuck to give me the info that I asked for. But, as for now: Certain things are bothering me.
I'm still trying to choose between Dan and Pooky. Someone please explain this:
Is Mudbuck IS mafia, who was attaked / why is this game going on still? I'm missing something. If Mudbuk was a doc, the maltese pidgeon is now in scum hands.
Which means... wo knows what could happen now.
As of right now, the possibilities, IMHO, are Dan / Pooky, Dan / UV and Pooky / UV
I say, people, start voting. Let's see where it goes. I'll jump in with a vote to lynch.
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UnheardVoice
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: 473 |
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| LoudmouthLee wrote: |
Is Mudbuck IS mafia, who was attaked / why is this game going on still? I'm missing something. If Mudbuk was a doc, the maltese pidgeon is now in scum hands. |
There isn't any proof that mudbuck was attacked except from mudbuck's own mouth. Pooky did target mudbuck last night, but I am uncertain of its significance.
Anyway, since I've got to go to work right now ('til 5 pm), and since the mod has not granted an extension yet, I'm going to say Vote: Dan. I believe that Dan is definitely mafia, but I'm not certain who the 2nd person is. |
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The Cheshire Man
Not a pussycat
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: 474 |
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I hereby grant an extension. The new deadline is Friday, 2:00pm PST.
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mudbuck
Dirty Dollar
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: 475 |
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| LoudmouthLee wrote: |
| I'm at a loss, still waiting on Mudbuck to give me the info that I asked for. But, as for now: Certain things are bothering me. |
What info? That I'm sure that the MP saved me. It said quite directly in my PM that I was saved by it.
Also, an interesting tidbit: The PM seems to say that the MP granted me the power to protect myself in the future. The sentence was worded strangely. I'll have to ask. |
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Dan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: 476 |
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| LoudmouthLee wrote: |
| I say, people, start voting. Let's see where it goes. I'll jump in with a vote to lynch. |
Like I said, Pooky and UV. Does this vote surprise me? Of course not. Don't jump into lynching me LML, look at his logic: "I believe that Dan is definitely mafia".
Wow, that certainly is substantial. You seem to have a lot to back up that vote for me.
LoudmouthLee, I'm with you. Mudbuck is our doc, only UV and Pooky doubt this.
Here's the breakdown of why I think UV and Pooky are mafia:
1. Their roles fit too neatly together today. They suddenly had to come up with results that had something to do with living people, so Pooky "blocked" the only person who couldn't confirm being blocked, and UV "tracked" him because he knew where Pooky would say he would go. They probably were hoping mudbuck would be dead today, so Pooky had to wait until UV told him where he tracked him to last night.
2. And what do they try to do then is try and cast suspicion on our doctor. Our Doctor. They are the only two people doubting mudbuck is our doc, so what they are saying is we have no doc, which is ludicrous.
3. Instead they (at least Pooky) believe that this would be compensated by a second roleblocker. Besides the fact that it is absurd to have two role-blockers in the game, they wouldn't make up for the missing doctor. Role-blockers are as much a bane as a boon on the town and have a much different dynamic to their role. Most likely they end up hindering the town more than stopping mafia. There are not two role-blockers.
4. UV's role isn't that impressive either, it reeks of a scum-claim. A tracker, you find out where someone goes at night. Fabulous, that'll be easy to come up with night results for, just use some people who are already dead and use the info already out there. Simple. When it comes time to actually provide new info, just follow your mafia buddy around to make their claim look more plausible.
5. Pooky voted for me out of the gate. Surprise. He contradicts my info to get me lynched. If I die today, the mafia will win (barring extreme circumstances), and it won't matter that he's lying. UV is now backing him up with nothing, he gives no reason at all for voting me, so there's nothing for me to refute (he knows I will). LML, the second you said you'd vote to lynch, you opened the gates to them.
I beseech the town to not vote me. Question me, you will get answers. Ask for logic, it will be given. Ask for motives, they will be supplied. I only ask for a chance to defend myself. The game is completely in the town's hands now. The mafia have made their move and are waiting for us to tip.
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The Cheshire Man
Not a pussycat
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:52 am Post subject: 477 |
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2 Votes: Dan (Pooky, UnheardVoice)
1 Vote: Pooky (Dan)
Not yet voting:
(LoudmouthLee, mudbuck)
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Dan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: 478 |
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| mudbuck wrote: |
| Also, an interesting tidbit: The PM seems to say that the MP granted me the power to protect myself in the future. The sentence was worded strangely. I'll have to ask. |
Interesting, but I just realized that the town is effed if another townie dies. Even if we survive the night it'll be 2 on 2 tomorrow. The mafia would never vote for themselves, so it would be a stalemate (or a mafia win because of the coming night? How does that work?).
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mudbuck
Dirty Dollar
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: 479 |
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| That just means we have to kill one today and one tomorrow. |
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LoudmouthLee
Member of the Year
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: 480 |
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I've thought VERY long and hard about this...
Vote: Dan
My reason for the vote is Mudbuck's new ability to self protect...
BUT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING THE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE PIDGEON ANYMORE!
So, why would he be able to self protect now? It makes absolutely NO sense.
With that, I'm nearly sure that Mudbuck's scum. Pooky and UV didn't cast suspicion. I didn't believe them until Mudbuck said he could self-protect. I don't buy it.
With that, Mudbuck has posted and could have easily lynched Dan. Since he didn't, I believe that Dan/Mudbuck is mafia.
If I'm wrong, I will commend both Pooky and UV and a job well done, but, as well, Pooky's posts come across as desperation as TOWN, not wiggling scum.
Good luck, Godspeed, and I wish I wasn't a lowly paperboy.
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