Game Show Mafia - GAME OVER - Town wins, Cloud wins $1m!

[Talitha]

Time for me to claim. After I parted ways with Mackay I got a new role where I get to watch one player each night and see who targets them.

I used it for the first time last night. I watched Mana, and saw that Shteven targeted him. Shteven must be our remaining scum.

vote: Shteven

[Hagfy]

Damn. Well, that was definitely the wrong call on my part... I'm sorry. I figured with ManaSpryte revealing Shteven as the other cop, I'd switch and protect Shteven last night. I guess that was too obvious a thing to do though...

Well, how did we have three kills last night?? cloudRunner, did you get a kill ability randomly? Your power is randomness, right? Unless...

Alright, well, I think we can only have 1 scum left... maybe 1 scum and 1 SK? If we have 2 scum left, they'll probably reveal themselves and cause a no-lynch, then kill me tonight. But still...

I think Shteven could have been investigating ManaSpryte to make sure they were both (or at least that Mana was) pro-town. Talitha, since you said you saw who targeted ManaSpryte, who was the other person who did?

Right now I still think that Talitha is the most likely to be scum. She might have been affected by the role-change, or just always scummy. And she's mighty eager to vote for someone right at daybreak. So, Vote: Talitha.

Now, to finish my previous thoughts, I was thinking that maybe none of us made the other kills/attempts. Maybe this is part of what I tried to mention before about there being only one to win. And if the mafia did no-lynch and all, the might still get killed randomly tonight.

Does anybody have any idea what is actually going on?

[Shteven]

I'll tell you exactly what is going on. Me and manaspryte (or what was left of him) investigated talitha and got scum. He went preemptive and tried to finger me, which isn't a bad ploy, but I don't think it will work

LML aim'ed me with scum, but I don't have the offical PM yet, so it feels a bit hasty, but scum is scum and scum is Talitha.

Vote: Talitha
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[Hagfy]

Unvote: Talitha for now, just so you're not 1 away from lynch. I just don't want to be hasty about this. I would like to let everyone have their say and make sure we've covered everything.

[cloudRunner]

[Hagfy]

Interesting. Well, it would seem obvious that at least one of Shteven and Talitha is lying. I'm pretty certain I want to go for Talitha right now, but there are still some lingering questions that I'd like to see answers to first.

And I'll check back here in about a half hour, but after that I won't be able to post for probably about a day, maybe slightly more. So I apologize for that, but I'll check back ASAP.

And if we do have 2 innocents, a SK, and a scum, well, shoot. Our only hope would be a no-lynch in the hopes that they would kill each other. Well, not our only hope I guess. If it's me and cR, then we could also hope he gets a doc power tonight. Either way it would be a real longshot.

[Talitha]

OK.

Here's my proposition. I would rather the town wins than the scum wins (seeing as I was pro-town for 2/3 of this game). So if we no-lynch it, I'll do what I need to do to ensure the mafia does not win.

[Shteven]

[cloudRunner]

Unvote: Talitha
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[Shteven]

[Shteven]

Any reasons for the unvote cloud? Hope you're still here, we're posting at the same time.
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[cloudRunner]

Yes. I'm considering what you're saying, and I'm also considering what Talitha is saying. I'm thinking.
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[Talitha]

[Talitha]

That second whammy is a random thing BTW. The mod does it - I have no control over it.

[cloudRunner]

Yes, the second whammy could kill even Talitha herself. But I'm coming up with a theory...
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[cloudRunner]

I have a question for Talitha.

How did you know that ManaSpryte was not going to be protected?
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[Talitha]

I didn't know. It was a desperation tactic because I was pretty sure that I would be investigated. My only hope was to try and get rid of Mana. If the 2nd whammy had ended up on Mana it would've got through any protection too.

[Shteven]

[Shteven]

[Talitha]

If you're not the scum then who is? Cloudrunner has been cleared by you and Mana. It's possible it's Hagfy, but he really screwed up letting the claimed cop live for so long if that is the case.

[Shteven]

I'd bet you're both, but that would be pretty odd. I'm definately hoping you are; but I can't really say for sure.

Nevertheless, the town can't win if there is both a SK and a mafia. Even if we don't lynch, and you target the mafia (who isn't me) you'll kill someone else as well, leaving a SK and one townie tommorow, where the SK wins. Only way not lynching you could possibly work is if the random kill kills you. I favor the direct method of just killing you now during the day.

Do SK's show up as scum? Because I have confirmed scum on talitha.
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[Talitha]

I've said too much already. If you want to lynch me, fine.

[cloudRunner]

[Shteven]

How do you know the two scum aren't both the same person? I mean, talitha could have been scum and picked up SK, or vice versa.

I suppose that since you don't trust me, and even if you did, I can't promise talitha is the only scum; I can only promise that he (she?) is scum. I'm glad you pointed out that scum/sk targetting each other will let the town win, because now it seems like they won't do that. Or maybe me saying they won't will allow them to. The point is that talitha's double kill is far too powerful to save the town. He can't kill off scum and let you lynch him, allowing him to kill two people isn't a good choice. Although I hear SK's rarely ever win, so maybe we could make a famous game result or something. ;P

Since when did I become the likely scum target? I mean, I was attacked by someone who is openly anti-town, and who I might add, has killed two pro-towners just last night. We're not talking about an unbaised player, and I would seriously doubt anything he tells you. In fact, I'd assume the opposite, unless he's going for reverse pyschology.

Put simply: I'm right, Talitha's wrong.

Sorry for all this hard-sell type posting, but I really expected this day to be open and shut and it's delay seems wrong to me.
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[cloudRunner]

[Shteven]

Then it's likely hagfy, as I do still believe you (cloudrunner) are innocent. I doubt I will be able to convince you, so go ahead and lynch me and hagfy or talitha can win a million dollars.*

*In the same sense I'm set for life after winning Monopoly.

So, SK's are valuable. I'll believe that. Makes sense to me. What you didn't say is what-are-we-going-to-do-now.
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[Hagfy]

Hey... sorry I'm just getting on now. I'm in a stupid class in Mississippi right now. It shouldn't affect me too much, as I can still play from here and in my room. Let me try to put down what I can for now.

If Talitha was both scum and SK, and used both powers to target one person, would the protection only work for one? I think this lends credibility to the possibility of Talitha being an uber-killer right now.

What I meant when I said I would hope for cR getting doc powers tonight was that if Shteven was scum and we killed Talitha or vice-versa, then we could protect each other.

I really don't know who we should kill today. I can protect 1 and only 1 person from 1 kill tonight. So if we don't kill Talitha and she can target 2 (or 1 twice), then we're likely done for. I don't know if we have another scum right now. I'm honestly having a hard time distrusting either one of you.

Oh, and as for this post:

[Shteven]

[cloudRunner]

[Talitha]

How could I possibly be scum and SK at the same time? They are different teams. I would be competing against myself.

But if you want to throw the game away and let Shteven win, fine. (OK, I'm 90% sure it's Shteven, 10% sure it's Hagfy).

The chances of me winning from here are very slim anyway, so you might as well lynch me. I would've prefered the town win than the mafia though.

[Talitha]

unvote: Shteven, vote: No lynch

Just in case you come to your senses.

[Shteven]

The simple, one line explanation why my vote is on talitha:

If there's two scum (sk & mafia seperate) then I don't see how the town can win; if it's just talitha, lynching her is a win.

Like cloud I'm quite unsure as to how the setup truly is, and have a fair doubt of hagfy. If hagfy is scum, he can now vote talitha and he'll win. Either way, we find out what's going on. Only thing I'm sure if is talitha's 90% confidence is 90% wrong
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[Talitha]

If the two killing parties target each other they will die and the town is still guaranteed to have at least one member left alive tomorrow.

I realise that the reason you prefer to lynch me is because it gives you an automatic win. You already know you're my target for tonight. If the town don't figure it out, then it's their loss.

[Shteven]

I have to admit I'm probably playing right into Talitha's hand by coming after Talitha so hard, but I'm wondering exactly how does one defend themselves at this point?

Most of the thread I was able to stay on everyone's good side. I wasn't really suspected until mackay yesterday (game time). As soon as I was, ManaSpryte covered me saying I was his partner, a fellow cop. We had to do all investigations together (agree on target, one performs), so my best proof of pro-town would be that I did not impede manaspryte at all, and you know he was pro-town. We agreed on each night who to investigate, and those investigations resulted in mafia lynchings: allforbrian, and hopefully soon, talitha.

I haven't always been right, and I have been more of a follower than a leader on previous days, but I think I've done a fairly good job of helping the town, especially considering this is my first mafia game.
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[Talitha]

I asked Mana earlier in the game whose idea it was to investigate AllforBrian on night 1 and he never gave me an answer. I really wish he had answered the question.

[Hagfy]

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not scum. If I was, I could have finished off Talitha and then killed one of you tonight. Would that not be the best play on my part?

As for the modkill, I thought it seemed like he was killing someone as part of the endgame. There were three kills last night. Didn't we determine one was mafia, one was SK, and one was a random? That's what I gathered from earlier anyway.

I want to kill Talitha, but there's the logic part too... as has been pointed out a few times, if we have scum, SK, townie, townie, then it would be best for town to have them to kill each other. The only problem is I don't know who to protect. One killer knows Talitha is the other, but I don't think Talitha knows who that killer is. Or we could just be wrong, and there is only Talitha.

I could reason why both of you aren't scum, but both arguments are roughly equal. So that doesn't really help me.

If Talitha is it, then we need to lynch. If there is one other, we probably do need to no-lynch, and I need to protect the townie. If I knew who the townie was, we'd have a much better chance of winning. Except that I just said that. So I'd probably get thwarted. Crap.

I'm still leaning towards lynching Talitha and just seeing what happens.

[cloudRunner]

[Hagfy]

Well, if we got down to three townies, how would we get down to one player at the end? I assume LML started random killing once we got under like 6 people or something. That's my theory I guess.

[Talitha]

Not trying to be rude, but isn't how we'll get down to one player at the end the least of your worries right now?

[cloudRunner]

^ that was my philosophy, but I don't have any leads on Shteven or Hagfy. Sorry, Talitha.
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