Cops and mobbers - DAY 5 SHOWDOWN... GAME OVER

[Dragon Phoenix]

UPDATE: Corrupt cop LML got lynched. Ralphmerridew and Manaspryte, two cops, are dead.

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Whilst I'm waiting to get back to mafia scum, I'd like to run a 12 player mini game, titled Cops and Mobbers. Forget the role claim disease - except for the mafia, everyone is a cop. Of some sort.

Players alive (3/12):

Jedo the Jedi
Mgm
monk KingPin

Dead dodo's (9/12):

Leonidas (brutal cop, shot)
Cloudrunner (cop, lynched)
Tigerbalm (cop, shot)
Quailman (mafia, shot)
Porro (cop, shot)
Samadhi (cop, shot)
Loudmouthlee (corrupt cop, lynched)
Manaspryte (methodical cop, shot)
Ralphmerridew (lazy cop, shot)

THE RULES
[01] Have fun and don't be a jerk. Please have consideration for the other players and the mod, and actually PLAY the game by posting and voting.
[02] No communication outside the thread unless your role allows you to do so and then only in the game's nights.
[03] Get your choices in before the deadlines. If not, a random choice will be made for the first night, and no choice for subsequent nights.
[04] No quoting my or others emails/PMs.
[05] If you're dead YOU'RE DEAD. No more posting relevant information after that.
[06] Lynching will be carried out once a regular majority is reached - and cannot be undone by unvoting. If I impose a day deadline, lynching will require at least half of the regular majority. In case of a tie, first come first served. In the endgame (six players or less) only lynches with a regular majority will occur.
[07] Only votes in BOLD will be counted. Please clearly unvote if you want to change your vote.
[08] Do NOT edit or delete your posts! If you made a coding error, just post again.
[09] Do NOT post in invisible text.
[10] You are not allowed to quote or paraphrase your winning condition, unless you want to risk a modslaying.
[11] It is risky to lynch someone based on spelling errors in their role name. I have been known to make some in the set-up of my games.
[12] The mod is always right. Accept the decisions, and if you want to discuss them, take it to email, or do so after the game has finished.



The roles as distributed:

LEONIDAS
You are a cop, your task is to eliminate the scum. You can choose to investigate one player every night, beat the poor sod up and you will get the result: mafia/not mafia. In addition, the investigated player will not be able to post the next day.
Please confirm and make first night choice.

CLOUDRUNNER, TIGERBALM
You are a cop, your task is to eliminate the scum. You can choose to investigate one player every night, and you will get the result: mafia/not mafia. You cannot investigate yourself.

RALPHMERRIDEW
You are a cop, your task is to eliminate the scum. You can choose to investigate one player every night, and you will get the result: mafia/not mafia. However, you're so lazy that you do not want to think about which choice would be best. You will always check the player who cast the deciding vote the day before.

MANASPRYTE
You are a methodical cop, your task is to eliminate the scum. You can choose to investigate one player every night, and you will get the result: mafia/not mafia. However, you must investigate the players in the sequence you determine during the first night. Dead players will be eliminated from that sequence automatically.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Dawn breaks with one cop gone. Leonidas, brutal cop, is no more, seeing as he has been shot dead. Sniff.

In miscellaneous news, Jedo the Jedi has been beat up so badly last night that he will not be able to post.

With 10 participating players on day 1, 6 to lynch.

[ManaSpryte]

Random Vote - Jedo the Jedi

Sounds like some one is in witness protection
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"And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon." - Pink Floyd

[ralphmerridew]

Arbitrary vote, Loudmouth Lee

Do you have any reason to suspect Jedo, other than the fact that Leo beat him up?

I don't think it's a good idea to lynch somebody before they've had any chance to speak, especially since he's almost certain to have some sort of information, with all townies having cop-like roles.

[Quailman]

I agree. On behalf of Jedo, who can't speak for himself, OMGUS vote: ManaSpryte

[Mgm]

FOS:Manaspryte
I can't speak for the others, but I find voting someone who can't defend themselves a horrible thing to do, especially when there's no evidence against them. I'm giving you some leniency since you're a newbie, but another move like that will get you my vote.

Random vote: Monk

[LoudmouthLee]

Random Vote: MGM

At least you didnt die Night 1 this time
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-LmL

I'm sorry. I have no desire to talk to you.

[LoudmouthLee]

[cloudRunner]

I will Vote: Jedo randomly.
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Forever is such an unpleasant word

[Samadhi]

Semi-random vote*: ralphmerridew

^{*Jedo and myself excluded}
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[ralphmerridew]

1) My name is "ralphmerridew". If you need to abbreviate it, "rm" or "ralphm" will do.

2) The other comment was addressed at ManaSpryte, who was voting Jedo.

[ManaSpryte]

Let me ask you all a question, Why was Jedo beaten up? Do you all like the fact that someone is just lurking around? Yes, I am a newbie but I dont like someone just watching us
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"And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon." - Pink Floyd

[Samadhi]

Read the role description for the dead guy.
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[Porro]

What Samadhi said

Theory natter: With a town full of cops*, and mafia, would it assist if the cops pooled their results? Discuss.

*I'm guessing confidently that sanities vary
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[Mgm]

With no way of knowing our sanities at the moment, I don't think sharing results will help the town right now. If anything it'll make it easier for the mafia to guess who the sane and/or helpful cops are. Personally, I think it's best to wait a bit longer, at least until we're reasonably sure of our own sanity, before we share.

[ralphmerridew]

We might have alternative cops (those who don't get innocent/guilty, like tracker or forensic cop).

[Mgm]

Based on Leonidas' death I'd have to agree such a thing is quite likely.

However, I think those are especially powerful roles (they are unlikely to be the subject of sanity issues). In my opinion revealing having someone with such a role reveal day 1 would be a very bad move (unless they are sure to take down a known scum). After all, we don't know whether there's a doc-cop to protect them. So, ultimately, I think for those cops the choice to reveal is up to themselves.

[Mgm]

What are your thoughts on reveiling, rm?

[LoudmouthLee]

I understand the thought of revealing, but a few things to consider.

Since we're unaware of our sanity levels (at least I am)... Would how would a reveal help? I mean, this isnt Texas Mafia, where we can all just shoot the person below us in the list.

Wouldn't a mass reveal ulatimately lead the town to a significant problem? Please, help clear this up for me. I might be missing something here.
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-LmL

I'm sorry. I have no desire to talk to you.

[Samadhi]

I don't think a mass reveal would be good. For the reasons already stated, and also because the mafia could put in bad results to skew our plans.
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[ralphmerridew]

I am against revealing a mass role-reveal at this point. I don't think the mafia putting in false claims would cause that much trouble; in dethy & groza classic, the players look to see which results can be discarded to leave the rest of the results consistent. The real problem with a mass-role-reveal is that the mafia is generally in a better position to identify the useful cops. (See the original groza classic (mafiascum mini 2), where the scum had eliminated all four useful cops by the time day 3 dawned.)

[Porro]

Yes. I thought I'd throw the question out there, even though I wasn't convinced it was for the best. I just wanted to see if anyone had any ideas. With so many cops about I though it was worth discussion.

Unless we're all sane (which I doubt) the town could only hope to gain a matrix of results to compare and contrast, hopefully to establish (or at least get a good idea of) who is sane. One night's investigations is highly unlikely to be a big enough sample of info to give any meaningful data to draw conclusions from. In fact, as someone mentioned above, it's likely to be far more helpful to the mafia, as they will be able to glean more info, e.g. who is either paranoid/sane, paranoid/insane, naive/sane, naive/insane due to their own knowledge of who is scum.

However, as the game goes on, and we have more nights results, I think the benefit will start to move toward the town.

One idea, is that as soon as one of us establishes our sanity (e.g. by having at least one good result, at least one evil result, and has investigated a dead person), and has a result which they believes indicates scum, in stead of just revealing their scum result, they could share all their results. Such result sharing could then enable other cops to establish their sanity too (i.e. if they have at least one good, and one evil result, and have investigated one of the sane cop's revealed targets).
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[Quailman]

[tigerbalm]

The fact that Manaspryte voted for Jedo arouses no suspicion in me. The fact that he apparently didn't read the day notice closely enough to catch the "brutal cop" business worries me, but again arouses no suspicion.

But, in his second post, it sounds greatly like he is defending his vote on Jedo, which he had just called random in his first. So now I am somewhat suspicious of him.

I am bothered that Manaspryte got picked on by several people, but no one bothered doing the same to cloudRunner. He also "randomly" voted Jedo, in fact putting a second vote on him.

Vote: Samadhi

[LoudmouthLee]

I won't speak for ManaSpryte, but could it possibly be that, since we're all cops here, maybe he recieved a result on Jedo and doesn't want to make himself a target? (But, by doing that, made him more of a target?)

Unvote: MGM

I like Tiger's logic. My vote, though, is NOT on Samadhi. Why did Cloudrunner fly in under the radar without any notice?

I sense EVIL afoot.

Vote: Cloudrunner
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-LmL

I'm sorry. I have no desire to talk to you.

[tigerbalm]

I do not approve of my statements being called "logic."

[Samadhi]

I can agree with that.
Definitely a weird thing to do. Not suspicious, just weird.
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[cloudRunner]

[Samadhi]

I sense evil too. I mean Leonidas is dead. In a fit of depression over the bad wrestling, he could have shot himself but I prefer to believe in the evil angle.
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[LoudmouthLee]

I was just concuring with Tiger's statement about how Mana got slammed for voting Jedo, but Cloudie didn't.

There's not much more going on.
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-LmL

I'm sorry. I have no desire to talk to you.

[ManaSpryte]

[Mgm]

Hipocrisy! I don't think you're in the position to vote cloudRunner for this. Sure, you say you misread, but we only have your word for it. Nevertheless, CloudRunner should've known because your actions were already being discussed.

Unvote: Monk, vote:CloudRunner

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote count, six to lynch:

Cloudrunner 3 (Mgm, Manaspryte, Loudmouthlee)
Samadhi 1 (tigerbalm)
ralphmerridew 1 (Samadhi)
Jedo the Jedi 1 (Cloudrunner)
Manaspryte 1 (Quailman)
Loudmouthlee 1 (ralphmerridew)

[Samadhi]

Everyone has posted that can post. Besides the scum we are all cops. My normal behaviour when I'm a cop is a few statements but nothing too much and I just wait for the next round. Because I will need at least two rounds to determine anything about my findings. Surely more.

Can we afford to be that passive though? I don't know, I can't think of anything else for round one. The only thing I think I have to add at this point is that if a cop knows they are going to be executed they should give their results. We're sure to lynch innocents, it's best we share as much info as we can. If it's bs, we'll know when they're lynched.

In short though, I see no reason not to vote for cloudrunner over anyone else, I just want to make sure we reason out as much strategy as we can before we move into night.
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[ralphmerridew]

Well, I think that cloudrunner is suspicious, but he already has three votes; Unvote LML. I'm not going to join the cloudrunner bandwagon yet, but consider him the best target at present.

[cloudRunner]

[cloudRunner]

Just randomly picking someone on the sign up list and voting for him definitely has bias.
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Forever is such an unpleasant word

[Samadhi]

The way I do it is load the list into a spreadsheet, put '=rand()' in the cell to each name's right, then sort.
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And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between.

[Dragon Phoenix]

There's more action in the sign-up thread than in the game.......

[Quailman]

I was just trying to figure out how I overlooked CloudRunner's vote for Jedo and voted for Manaspryte. I see now that I jumped on Manaspryte before Cloudrunner posted his 'random' vote. More clues that something was up with Jedo's ability to speak prior to CR's vote.

I think I'm going to take the other angle, since CloudRunner hasn't unvoted and consider that he knows something about Jedo. True, it would suck to be lynched without having a chance to defend yourself, good or bad, but CR must know something he's not letting on.