Dating Game Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Mackay]

There is no reason not to trust Mgm's results now that he(she) is dead The Godfather is dead, so I trust that all the cleared innocents on the list really are innocent. ralphm, I have already given my full role, I am just a townie with a number.

There were three people not cleared - jadesmar (has he been replaced yet?), Neo and DP.

ralphm says he has reason to believe that DP is innocent. I believe him.

My vote will go either to Neo, or whoever replaced jadesmar. mudbuck?
I get a feeling about ralphm and DP that I should have picked up before, but was a bit slow. I have been cleared by investigators, with no possibility of me being a godfather, 'cause he's dead. Plus, I know I'm innocent. I believe that either Neo or mudbuck (I think that's who it is) is mafia. And possibly both of them.

[Mackay]

Sorry for the triple post...

Edit: replace every "DP" in the previous post with "Jedo". Which is rather a pity, because I'd like to lynch him for suggesting I was supporting MattV.

[Neo]

Yes, yes I'm here. Very nearly had a death in the family.

Somebody wanted my claim: Bachelor #25.

Logic later, after i'm a little un-rattled.
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[Mackay]

*hugs Neo*

[Courk]

I hope everything's OK now, Neo. *hug*

Mackay: Mudbuck (3) replaced jadesmar (2). Jedo (2) replaced DP (1). I hope that clears things up.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Sorry to hear that, Neo. That's a hard thing to deal with. I had something like that happen to me almost exactly a year ago. I hope everything turns out all right.

*gives a hug to rival Bearty's*

[ralphmerridew]

*hugs Neo*

mudbuck?

[mudbuck]

Oh, right. Role Claim... I was waiting to think over in case I slip up.

I am really the "opposite" of a mafia. I'm a vigilant, which exlpains Chuck's death during night 2.
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[ralphmerridew]

And your number? And after he answers that, DP, do you have any ability?

[Neo]

temp vote: mudbuck

I'm on lunch so I can't do an in-depth analysis. But there were only two deaths Night 2, when we had mafia and SK.
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[Mackay]

Looking at voting mudbuck too.

I'd forgotten DP/Jedo's claim, I'd thought that due to rm's defense of him that the two of them were very lucky masons. Back on my suspicion list for sure, but mudbuck is definitely the highest. Haven't checked Neo's number yet though.

[ralphmerridew]

And that should be "After that, Jedo, ..."

[mudbuck]

#14
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[Neo]

Scanning posts is hard, mudbuck being replacement #2 for the same player, and keeping all the names straight is tough, so it's taking longer than I'd hoped.

I haven't had the vig role much, so to any who may have: Why kill a pretty-well confirmed scum on night 2? It's a sure lynch, is it not? Wouldn't you hold your (i'm assuming one) kill until later, when it might make a bigger impact?
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Unfortunately, I do not have any ability, just like the bachelorette. I'm just the host.

In response to mudbuck's claim, I am suspicious. Don't know exactly what to think, but I am tempted to vote. The only thing that is stopping me is that the mafia could jump on there real quick and lynch him, if the mafia hasn't done so already.

[Mackay]

ralphm, what are your reasons for believing that Jedo/DP is innocent? There are scum bells a-ringing in my head every time I read his posts, and if someone does not have any abilities, why give them a special role?

I am only holding off because of you, rm. You're a confirmed innocent iirc, otherwise I'd wonder about the two of you. But I'm fairly sure that all Mgm's innocents ARE innocent - the GF is gone, no worries there. But while Neo's and mudbuck's claims give me nothing, they also don't seem any more suspicious than they would anyway. Whereas DP did, and Jedo does.

[ralphmerridew]

All roles and role claims:

Logain - #1, investigator - Night 5
Leonidas/MattV - #2, mafia GF - Day 6
Chuck - #7, mafia - Night 2
Porro - #8, townie - Night 5
Captain Canada - #10, townie - Night 3
5. Nanook/jadesmar 2/mudbuck 3: #14, vig
Jedo the Jedi - #18, cultist - Day 3
Madmax - #22, cop - Night 1
1. Neo: #25
Vinny/mudbuck 2 - #30, cult recruiter - Day 4
IS - #36, cultist - Day 2
sweetwater - #42, doc - Night 1
4. Mackay: #54, townie (cleared by Logain/Mgm)
3. crackerjack/referee2/ralphm2: #60, townie (cleared by Logain / Mgm
ralphm - #63, townie - Night 6
Jadesmar - #72, townie - Night 2
mudbuck - #77, cop - Day 1
Mgm - #84, doc - Night 3
referee - #100, SK - Day 5

Vegt/Mgm 2 - bachelorette, listener - Night 7
2. Kees Hond (DP)/Jedo 2: no number, host

FOS: Neo, for voting mudbuck.
There were 3.5 investigative roles in this game, and there have only been two mafia killed. I find it unlikely that the cops outnumbered the mafia, so I think it likely that there are two mafia currently alive. We can not afford a hasty lynch.

mudbuck, who have you killed so far? Did Nanook / jadesmar make any additional attempts that failed? Do you know why they made those attempts / did not use their abilities on other occasions?[/b]

[Mackay]

[Mackay]

Also: why are the names on your list numbered? The living ones, I mean.

[ralphmerridew]

Mackay, my reasons for believing DP innocent were rather slim, as I believe I mentioned yesterday, but at the time they were the best I had. I'm not God, or even Antrax or IS. My results at mafia haven't been that great. So don't hold off voting for DP on the basis of my hypothesis.

However, I will ask that you hold off voting for anyone until we can get all the information out. This is even more important for you than for Neo; if Neo and mudbuck are both good, the mafia can not use that vote to speed-lynch mudbuck. If you and DP are both good, the mafia could use your vote to speed-lynch DP. There's no need to rush right now.

“I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” A Scandal in Bohemia—Arthur Conan Doyle

Let's get all the information on the table before acting.

[ralphmerridew]

The living names in my list are numbered because I cut/pasted them from the first post.

[Mackay]

Thanks for clarifying.

[mudbuck]

Night 2 was a kill at Chuck, and night 6 was a kill at ralph.
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[Courk]

Too much bolding... hard to do... vote count...

mudbuck - 1 - (Neo)

OK, easier than I thought...

[Mackay]

OK, here's what I see - all of it very obvious but always useful to have laid in front of us:
- Chuck and ralphm were both electrocuted on the nights mudbuck claims.
- There have been no other deaths by electrocution, and not enough electrocution deaths for it to be another mafia group, therefore, it is probably a vig.
- Nobody but mudbuck has claimed vigilante, therefore we can assume he's telling the truth.
- ralphm and myself have been proven innocent
Therefore if there are two mafia left, they are Neo and DP/Jedo.
If there's only one, I'm inclined to suspect Jedo. I can't buy the idea of a special role with no abilities (as I keep saying), and DP has all along been suspicious to me.
Most of the townies have number that kinda fit in with something else, townie number 25 doesn't really - Neo's not off the hook.

If there are two mafia left, hopefully mudbuck can bump the last one off for us tonight.

I'm not going to vote yet anyway, but someone better come out with something BIG if they're going to change my mind.

[mudbuck]

If Neo and DP/Jedo are possible mafia, then why not lynch one of them now and I'll kill the other during the night?
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[mudbuck]

...which was exactly said by Mackay
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[Mackay]

lol.

Why not, indeed - the thing is, one screw-up and the game might be over, if rm is right about there being two mafia left.

We should at least give them a chance to mount a defence.

[ralphmerridew]

Well, Mackay, until this morning, I believed that host DP was the electric shock vig, and that Neo and mudbuck were the last two scum.

I believed that Mr. Electric Shock was a vig instead of SK because both Chuck (fingered by a cop), and rm1 (more or less claimed to be cult) were both suspicious at the times of their deaths.

I agree with your assessment, Mackay.

Jedo, Neo: Can you give any reason not to follow that plan.

[Neo]

[Mackay]

lol, I said 'kinda' and said they fit with other things. 8 and 10 not so much, more just that the numbers seem to cover a lot of 1 to 10. 54 and 72, if the cult's choices were involuntary, would have been the next two on the list (54 being me, which I guess you missed). 63 got called into contention before, being wedged in between 42 and 84. Multiples of 9, even? I don't know really. That was just me rambling - 25 seems a more 'important' number somehow.

If it's any consolation, I trust you more than I do Jedo. As you said before when you got defensive, you were taking my (shabby) accusations almost as a personal attack. That seems more of an "innocent" response to me. But I am convinced enough by mudbuck (btw, I didn't realise there'd been two electrocutions until I read back either, so no biggie ) that if there are TWO mafia left, that it is yourself and Jedo. If there's one I'm inclined to trust you more than I do him. Unless he pulls out something game-changing, I'll be voting for the Jedo, especially now that I know ralphmerridew doesn't have any extra info.

Hope you're feeling better, Neo

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Mackay]

...*looks at ralphm* can I vote yet?

(Seems jedo is being overly cautious as I rarely see him, is all. Plus I'm convinced that he or Neo is scum, if not both, and mudbuck can do a killin' for us later anyway...)

[ralphmerridew]

Jedo, perhaps the question should be, why would Courk have an investigator among the bachelors (Logain) who has a special connection to the bachelorette? Why not give that ability to the show host, the other unnumbered character?

Mackay, once mudbuck claimed vig and Neo claimed town, I decided then that we should lynch Neo, and have mudbuck kill DP. Had Jedo/DP also claimed vig, I would have had him kill mudbuck. Jedo's claim of no-ability and mudbuck's later statements (I had considered the case he might be an SK) only supported my decision.

Go ahead and vote for whoever you choose.

[Mackay]

ralphm, you remember how it said about the SK - number 100 - that he was sitting so far down the line that he didn't have a chance with a bachelorette and decided to kill his way to the top?
Well, Logain was #1, so I assume he was closest. My guess is that he was near enough to be able to whisper his results to the bachelorette. [/theory]

I assume that lynching one and killing the other is going to work either way - but just in case there is only one mafia I'm going to go with my gut and vote: Jedo. Besides, I've offended Neo enough this game. Let mudbuck do the rest, I trust him.

[ralphmerridew]

My point was that Courk probably would have removed one of the other abilities, rather than make a no-ability host.

Vote: Jedo / DP / KH and I'm off to make another vote.

[mudbuck]

Right

Vote Jedo to finish the day.

And Neo in the night. Got it.
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[Courk]

And with 3 votes, Jedo 2 is lynched.

I don't know how you expect the game to go on without a host, but I guess it did lose all point once the bachelorette died...

Congratulations, you have killed the host. He was a good man. He did his best to control the show and keep it going despite the many deaths. Oh. This just in. He was... a traitor?

'Tis Night 8.

If you have a night choice, please get it in ASAP. Deadline will be Friday at 5:00 PM EST.

[Courk]

In the darkness, Neo hastily wrote a note, stood up, and took careful aim at Mackay. "It may be pointless," he though, "but at least I haven't killed her yet..."

As he pulled the trigger, Neo felt something move behind him. It was at this same time that he realized he was standing in a puddle or water.

"Say good-bye, scum," said mudbuck3.

In the morning ralphm2 and mudbuck noticed the letter held in Neo's now-fried hand:

[Neo]

*sigh*

THIS close! Then our GF loses his head, and the traitor botches the claim...

I guess it's just as well you all didn't allow me to put in my $0.02 on this idea, I don't know what I would've said.
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