Disney Mafia Thread # 2 ... Day 4

[NanooktheWolf]

Alright Guys, Since I can't seem to get access to the other thread, and none of the other moderators have gotten back to me, I guess that I will just open a new thread here ... I suppose just continue from here, and if you want me to post the last day here, then just let me know, but you can still view the other thread, just can't post in it.
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[NanooktheWolf]

Ok, It's not even letting me edit my own posts ... What the F***! I hope that this problem gets fixed soon. Anyways, besides all my bitching, here you goes:

Player List:

Vinny
Massive
Courk
Narninian (Killed Night 5, Quasimodo, Priest)
Madmax (Killed Night 4, Merlin, Back up Doc)
Azdak (Lynched Day 3, Scar, Mafia Godfather)
Nauplius (Killed Night 3, Cruella De'Ville, Mafia Henchwoman)
Meursault (Killed Night 3, Hercules, Vigilante)
MGM (Lynched Day 2, Ursula, Mafia Henchwoman)
Porro (Killed Night 2, Pumba, Neighborhood Watchman)
Jedo the Jedi (Lynched Day 1, Timon, Neighborhood Watchman)
Fuldu (Killed Night 1, Rifiki, Doctor)

Rules:

Bold your votes and unvotes please, this makes it easier for me to do those vote counts that you all love.

Do not communicate at night unless your role E-mail says otherwise

Do not quote my E-mails

Do not speak about this game outside this thread unless it is night and your role intends you to do so.

Unvote before casting a new vote

You may vote No lynch, and a majority of these votes will end the day..

Please do not edit or delete posts

Once you’re dead, you’re dead I do however allow one BAH post

HAVE FUN!!!!!

Lastly and most importantly. Respect Me and the rest of the players!

UPDATE: DAY 5, 3 ALIVE 2 TO LYNCH!


POOR QUASIMODO!
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[Narninian]

So do people still think a movie claim is in order?? We can pretty much figure out what movie somoene is from if everybody else claims. Cruella and Ursalla being mafia confirm my suspicion that mafia are evil roles from different movies.

I think there is a godfather left - and a Serial Killer out there. I also think there is another doc - so we have to be careful with claims not to force him/her out.

The Reason I think there is a serial Killer/ Doctor Out there

Night 1 ) Rifiki was succesful in protecting somoene before dying : (which means there was 2 kill attempts that night I think) -- I kinda doubt that the Vigilante would make a kill attempt night 1.
Night 2) Somebody tried to kill me but was unsuccesful (again - it looks like there was 2 kill attempts)
Night 3) I seem to recall something weird about Courk being lucky or something to that effect - meaning that Courk was probably targetted and saved(or there was a roleblocker).

I am from the huncback of Notre Dame.
I think Vinny said he was from Lilo and Stich.
This leaves the Sword and the Stone and The Emporer's New Groove.
There should be one more from the Lion King, and 1 more from any of the films.

I havnt seen the huncback of Notre Dame (I think I vageuly know the story though) and I havnt seen Lilo and Stitch (well I was playing cards at the time and I wasnt paying attention) so I know nothing about Lilo and Stich roles.

[Courk]

Day 4:

NanooktheWolf
Daedalian Member Reply 169 posted 06-20-2004 11:26 PM
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Courk was walking along like he does every night, but nothing too important went on, or at least he thought, he was just lucky.
Now as for the two unlucky ones, it really is quite funny how they targetted eachother. It was Nauplius VS Meursault or in lamons terms Hercules VS Cruella De'Ville. Anyways, Cruella was on a rampage tonight as she decided that she would do a hit and run right over Hercules, not knowing of his strengh. Hercules picked up the car and flung it against a tree, but when he threw the pimped up vehicle he went with it as his laces got caught up on the bumper. Both their bodies crushed, and for what?

Nauplius - Mafia Henchwoman
Meursault - Vigilante

6 Left, So it makes only 3 to lynch!

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Meursault
Daedalian Member Reply 170 posted 06-20-2004 11:54 PM
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Haha! Take that, and don't be so obvious next time!
--- Meursault.

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Narninian
Daedalian Member Reply 171 posted 06-21-2004 12:20 AM
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Ok - Im not sure how useful this will be but I thought I'd bring up some possibly relevant info

[Courk]

That's everything we had posted for Day 4 on the old GL.

Nanook, I haven't been able to edit first posts, either, but I believe you can edit that second post. At least I hope you can.

[Courk]

And nwo that business is taken care of, I can get back to the game. I wrote this after I saved the day 4 posts, but before the switch, so it kind of repeats what Narn has just said. Sorry.

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day 1 - 2 attempts, 1 kill
day 2 - 2 attempts, 1 kill
day 3 (even though it's called day 4) - 3 attempts (?), 2 kills
or day 3 - 2 attempts, 2 kills, I was protected but not targeted.

I don't think the latter is true, because no one else has been mentioned without being targeted - but on day 1 no one specific was mentioned as having been protected, so there really isn't a pattern to look at for that.

If the latter is true, then that means that either there is an SK and s/he didn't target anyone, but the vigilante did for the first time, or the vigilante has been attacking every night and ther is no SK. Any good vigilante would not attack on the first night. S/he would wait to attack those who are suspicious.

So, either 3 attempts, 2 kills, or the mafia and vig. attacked while the SK didn't do any thing. Any good SK would send in a choice every night. So, who has bene missing?

Narninian - last post: 6-21 - claim: Hunchback of Notre Dame
Azdak - last post: 6-14 - claim:
MadMax - last post: 6-21 - claim:
Vinny - last post: 6-21 - claim: Lilo & Stitch
Massive (Replaced TT) - last post: 6-18 - claim:
Courk - last post: 6-21 - claim: Emperor's New Groove

Azdak seems most likely to have missed a choice if the SK did indeed not attack. Or the SK did attack and I was protected. Which means at least 1 mafia, 1 SK, and 1 doc are left.

So basically, I agree with you. There were probably 3 mafia, an SK, a Vigilante, 2 watchmen, and 2 docs to begin the game, with 3 unknown roles - hopefully with some cops

[Narninian]

Its entirely possible that we dont have 2 docs however... It seems kinda strange to reveal info about who the doc saved. Night 1 Rifiki made the save, Night 2 I have a scenario where I could have been saved but not from a doc (not sure if I wanna tell town/mafia today). Night 3 we're not sure if Courk was targetted or not.


Now what role do we think is Godfather?? I have some theories - but it might be better to wait until everyone reveals their movie. I think it would be a bad idea for mafia to lie about what movie they are from - we pretty much know the movie distribution - lying about that would be a bad idea.

Lion King - 3 total (all dead) 1 more left
Hercules - 1 so far(dead) 1 more possible
Little Mermaid - 1 so far(dead) 1 more possible
101 dalmations - 1 so far(dead) 1 more possible
Lilo and Stich - 1 claimed 1 more possible
Emporer's New Groove - 1 claimed 1 more possible
Hunchback of Notre Dame- 1 claimed 1 more possible
Sword in the Stone - None Claimed 1 left 2 more possible

[massive]

Just want to drop a quick note saying two things: One, my role is from 101 Dalmatians. Two, I haven't received an email from last night (that I'm aware of). Will have a lengthy post when I settle in tonight (am travelling to Baltimore today).

[Narninian]

Lion King - 3 total (all dead) 1 more left
Hercules - 1 so far(dead)
Little Mermaid - 1 so far(dead)
101 dalmations - 1 so far(dead) 2 claimed
Lilo and Stich - 1 claimed
Emporer's New Groove - 1 claimed
Hunchback of Notre Dame- 1 claimed
Sword in the Stone - None Claimed 1 left


Which means:

Narninian: Hunchback of Notre Dame
Azdack: Lion King or Sword in the Stone
MadMax: Lion King or Sword in the Stone
Vinny: Lilo and Stich
Massive: 101 dalmations
Courk: Emporer's new Groove

Possible Villians Left:
Scar (lion King)
Evil magic User(forget her name) (sword in the stone)
I've never seen Lilo and Stich - I dont know Villians from there
Advisor from Emperer's new Groove
I havnt seen the Hunchback of Notre Dame so I cant think of any villains(and Im not a villian - Im the only person to have claimed to be from hunchback)

[Courk]

Emperor's new Groove isn't an evil role. Of course none of you can really believ e me.

[MadMax]

Glad to have the site back.
I am the one fron the Sword in the Stone.

[Azdak]

This will probably get me lynched. Yes, I'm from the Lion King. More information is available upon request, accusation or vote.

I'll field the first accusation here.

[Vinny]

Just to let y'all know I am here and reading. Not enough information to go on right now.

Just want to throw this out there. Could it be possible that there are no docs left, and the failed night kills are due to the serial killer/mafia being inept (i.e. killing does not always succeed 100% of the time)?

[Narninian]

Its quite possible there is not another doc.

Role Blockers
People Immune from night kills(or certain roles immune from attack from other roles)
People who can only kill every other night
People with not a 100% chance of kill
A kill Happy Vigilante(the courk thing might not have been a kill attempt)

Hard to say more without role claims - but if some people start to role claim - I think we might find there are no docs... which makes it hard for a cop to come out if there is one. Its possible there is a doc though, so if a cop has enough evidence to help us find the last mafia - they should come out.

Azdak - I made that acqusation - I just think that if you ARE scar... it would be easy for you to pick a safe role -- you could easily not be Scar, though - and Ill take that into consideration.

It appears everyone has movie claimed... not really much to go on without full claims.

I dont know if this is relevant - but both 'scum' have been henchwoman - if the head scum is also female that would
leave:

Advisor from The Emporer's new groove
Evil Magician from The Sword in the Stone

Male Evils
Scar
Lilo and Stich bad guy?
Hunchback bad guy?

Out of the 2 females. - I think that the advisor is more likely to be a 'godmother' type - She was the King's trusted advisor - but was secretly plotting his demise - certainly sounds like a godfather to me (evil but nobody knows it). This is all speculation - Im not sure how else to go about this right now so....

FOS: COURK for now... see where to go from here.

[Vinny]

Shall I say what character I am? Give me a go or no go.

(FYI: I also haven't seen Lilo & Stitch)

[Courk]

I don't know if character claiming will do much good. With almost everyone from different movies, it's too easy to choose a good character if you're evil. All I can see it doing is letting those who are evil figure out who might be doc/cops/other important roles.

[Vinny]

Well, we need to vote. The game is not moving at all as it stand.

3 votes is kinda scarey though, I am sure that's where the hang up is.

I am goin to read thru the first few days in the old thread sometime this evening and make a decision.

quick question (not that I am saying I want to go this route), but is it possible to vote no lynch so that nonone is killed to end the day?

[Narninian]

well Im not really suspcious of anyone based on posts..
I would be more suspicious of Courk based on being from Emporer's new groove (and possibly being the advisor - which would be a great godfather role) but the night scene made it look like he(she?) was targetted. Now that I think about it though - there is possbily a SK other there - so... VOTE: Courk to get the ball rolling again.

[Narninian]

We need some more participation - I kinda felt like I was the only one participating so I wondered if people didnt come back to the new site.
I looked to when people posted and realized that wasnt true.
I found the following:

Courk and Vinny have posted several times - they seem to be trying to keep up with the game.

Azdak posted once on Wednesday - claiming his movie and trying to defend himself that he isnt scar.

Madmax posted once to say what movie he is from on Wednesday

Massive posted once on Wedneday afternoon to say he would post a lenghty post that night.


We need some more participation - a lengthy post would help the game.

unvote: Courk

VOTE: Massive

[massive]

Narninian, you're such a waffle.

If Madmax is from Sword in the Stone, it's most likely he's Merlin. Mad Madam Mim is the "bad guy" in that movie, and REALLY obscure; for a final Mafia member, I'd pick Scar (Lion King) or Frollo (Hunchback) before I'd pick Mim. Of course, this is all speculation, but based around what Nanook has chosen so far.

Did Courk claim to be from Emperor's New Groove? That puts us at this:

massive: 101 Dalmatians
Narninian: Hunchback
Vinny: Lilo and Stitch
Courk: Emperor's New Groove
Madmax: Sword in the Stone
Adzak: Lion King

I'm actually content with voting for Adzak. It's going to take a LOT of convincing to talk me out of believing that he's not Scar. If he's not, I'm going to be back on Narninian, who seems to be the next logical choice for bad guy. I don't believe that Courk is evil, nor Madmax, and while I'd be curious as to WHO Vinny is, there's really not a "bad" guy in Lilo and Stitch unless you count Stitch himself.

vote Adzak

[Narninian]

I havnt seen Hunchback - who is frollo (Im not him -but it would help to know who he is)

oh - Unvote: Massive

just a lurker vote.

as far as godfathers go

I think the advisor would be most likely (secretly evil)
and then Scar (also secretly evil for a while)

Serial Killers
Madam Mim
Frollo ? (I dont know what he did in the movie.- Im assuming harrassed the hunchback )


I personally would like to hear a role claim from Courk or Azdack (not both right now). Im going to go look at plot summaries for Huncback and Lilo and Stich to get more info.

[Narninian]

I just read plot summaries - It would be kind of difficult to make a villian out of a Lilo and Stich character, and Frollo seems like a fantastic Villian - would more likely be a SK then a godfather... I can assure you however, I am not Frollo.

I can role claim if that is what is wanted - but it might be a little more advantegous to wait another day.

[Azdak]

I'm Simba. Vigilante replacement.

[Courk]

massive: 101 Dalmatians - probab;y good since Ms. DeVille is dead
Narninian: Hunchback - unknown
Vinny: Lilo and Stitch - probably good since there is apaprently no villain
Courk: Emperor's New Groove - I know I'm good, y'all don't
Madmax: Sword in the Stone - possibly good, since the villain is obscure
Adzak: Lion King - unknown

So, in order of suspicion (to me):

Azdak
Narninian
Madmax
Vinny
massive
Courk

However, Azdak's claim kinda makes sense...

bah, I gtg now, more later

[Narninian]

I might as well say it - Im the huncback (Quadimodo) - Since apparently Im high on the suspicion list. I don't want to say what my role does, yet - because - unless it prevents me from getting lynched - saying what my role does will only give mafia an advantage.

[Vinny]

no one has answered my question yet. Can we vote no lynch to end the day?

And would y'all think this is advantageous/disadvantageous for town?

[massive]

I don't see any reason to no-lynch. We have two legitimate lynching targets in Adzak and Narninian. I'd be hard-pressed to leave a day where I don't lynch ONE of them.

Frollo, for those not in the know, is the main villain of Hunchback. He's a judge (a bishop in the actual book) that is trying to subjugate the populace of Paris under his rule. He's Quasimodo's "adopted father" who verbally abuses him, tries to kill Esmerelda (the hot Demi Moore gypsy), and eventually sets the entire town on fire.

Right now, I'm actually more likely to lynch Narninian than Adzak. I wouldn't care either way, but that last post of Narninian's just got me wondering where in the heck he came up with the idea that we have a serial killer - especially since nothing so far has suggested we have anything more than one mafia.

unvote Adzak
vote Narninian

... and I'm more than willwing to swap back to Adzak if you all decide he's more likely the crook.

[Vinny]

um ... massive ... the last few nights there were more than 1 kill attempt.

I think it's more likely to have a group of mafia and one SK than to have 2 groups of mafia.

[Narninian]

[Vinny]

That does it. Since I might not be around this evening and over the weekend ... my most intuitive hunch tell me to

Vote massive

[MadMax]

Am at wedding Saterday then off to Italy.
Will find internet Cafe.

[Courk]

[Narninian]

Im starting to doubt more and more Massive's claim - Im hoping there is another cop out there.

Courk - Im not sure we should assume there is another doc out there - there are too many other scenarios that could explain there not being a doc.

if I were forced to vote it would probably be for Massive, Azdack, Courk in that order.

[Courk]

I don't know of any other scenarios that would account for the saves. If last night wasn't a save, then what was it?

[MadMax]

I am off to wedding then Italy.
Massive gets my main FOS.
Will find a computor topost on Monday.

[Narninian]

Roleblocking
non 100% chance of killing SK
person with ability with immunity or limited immunity to night kills (obviously not you)
I cant think of more but I thought there would be.

[Narninian]

with 6 alive - its 4 needed to lynch - right?

VOTE: Massive [/spoiler]

[Narninian]

oops dont know how that spoiler thing got there.

unless Im wrong - its vote 2 - I dont want to to be vote 3 or vote 4...

[NanooktheWolf]

With 6 Alive, It's 4 to Lynch yes ...
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[massive]

Narninian: You really surprise me. How did you go from "I would greet that [a fourth good Lion King claim] with extreme skeptisism seeing as lion king already had 3 good roles - I would imagine the 4th would be evil" (quoted again by Courk at the top of this page) to "I think its possible that Azdack is innocent"? You are struggling for survival here. You've turned back upon yourself, hoping that ANYTHING will save your bacon.

Let's continue on with the "proof" here then. If Narninian is innocent, then he should have noticed that on the night when he was attacked and rescued / "lucked out" of being killed, the attacker wanted to shred him to pieces (per Nanook's clue-laden death post). He's again continuing to ignore the fact that Adzak is most definitely Scar, instead focusing on someone that is calling his bluff.

MadMax: It really surprises me that I am your main FOS when I essentially told you what your role is.