Disney Mafia: Night 3

[NanooktheWolf]

Player List:

Narninian
Azdak
Nauplius
MadMax
Vinny
Meursault
Massive (Replaced TT)
Courk
MGM (Lynched Day 2, Ursula, Mafia Henchwoman)
Porro (Killed Night 2, Pumba, Neighborhood Watchman)
Jedo the Jedi (Lynched Day 1, Timon, Neighborhood Watchman)
Fuldu (Killed Night 1, Rifiki, Doctor)

Rules:

Bold your votes and unvotes please, this makes it easier for me to do those vote counts that you all love.

Do not communicate at night unless your role E-mail says otherwise

Do not quote my E-mails

Do not speak about this game outside this thread unless it is night and your role intends you to do so.

Unvote before casting a new vote

You may vote No lynch, and a majority of these votes will end the day..

Please do not edit or delete posts

Once you’re dead, you’re dead I do however allow one BAH post

HAVE FUN!!!!!

Lastly and most importantly. Respect Me and the rest of the players!

UPDATE: SCUM LYNCHED ... NIGHT CHOICES DUE SUNDAY @ 11 EST TIME!



[This message has been edited by NanooktheWolf (edited 06-18-2004 10:54 PM).]

[NanooktheWolf]

Hakuna Matata, It means no worries, Except for one of our players. You find Rifiki hanging upside down from a tree, and at first see nothing unusual of this behavior until you realize that there is a puddle of blood gallowing underneath where his body hang. At least Rifiki went out with good marks though, as he did at least succeed in his job once before his hanging on this vicious night of death.

Fuldu = Rifiki, Doctor.

11 of you remain, so it will take 6 Votes to lynch!

Lynch Away Guys, And Don't Forget To Have FUN!

[Mgm]

*wakes up*

Damn, that's a horrible start to the day. At least his dead gave us some info.
Nanook stated he successfully performed his task before he died. That must mean there are at least 2 killing groups - mafia and SK, or mafia and vig (if the vig happens to be a newbie).

I'll Vote: Narninian. 4 instances of the letter 'n' in a nickname is a bit overkill (that would be a fancy way of saying it's random).

[Meursault]

Overkill on the mind, huh? Sounds suspicious.

Random vote: Azdak; I have no idea who you are.

[MadMax]

Even if the doc saved a life, it was not a good swap.
Bad luck Bro.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Vote: Narninian

*shrugs* Mgm has some very logical thinking.

('Nook: Thanks)

[Jedo the Jedi]

On second thought, we lost our doctor. That is not going to do us any good. We need to stall more bloodshed.

Unvote: Narninian
Vote: No lynch

Without a doctor, we're in trouble.

[Mgm]

Jedo, why not wait for all the players. If a piece of scum slips up, we can lynch them on the spot. If we go no-lynch, we give them the chance to pick us off one by one, since I doubt a mini game has 2 doctors. The scum has already caught the doctor. Do you want them to kill of the cop too?

I don't, so I want discussion! We can always decide on a no-lynch later in the day.

[Fuldu]

Pffft. This always happens when I'm a doc.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Yousa point isa well seen.

Unvote: No lynch

You want discussion, then let's discuss. What exactly does a cop do?

[Mgm]

You mean, you don't know what a cop does?

[Nauplius]

Vote: Jedo the Jedi for being so jumpy, even suggesting a no-lynch on day one.

[NanooktheWolf]

Jedo: A Cop is a role that every night can investigate one player. There are different versions of cops out there, but the most common is that that just gets a guilty or innocent result.

Jedo I know that you are new to the game, so if you have any other questions about what roles are you can always vist www.mafiascum.net or just E-mail me for information.

[Courk]

FOS: Jedo. He seems jumpy, maybe because he's already posted 3 times, but if you've seen other threads where he's participated, he always posts a lot. Yet, why would he be so interested here? It's day one, and townie have nothing to do but sit and observe - maybe Jedo has an eagerness to get to night again?

[Jedo the Jedi]

Maybe I'm just trying to draw out mafia. The more you post, the more there is to react to, and the more chances there are for people to slip up.

For now, I think I'll take Mgm's advice. I'll wait for the others to post, see if they let something slip, then I'll make my vote.

[NanooktheWolf]

Ok Guys, Porro is going to be replacing Quagmire as requested.

PS Let's pick up the discussion would ya's.

[Mgm]

*greets Porro*

Has anyone given a thought to the setup? With 8 films and 12 roles there is a maximum number of roles that can come from the same film. I expect to find 3 masons from one film, but what about scum? Let's do some math:

code:

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Lion King - 1 (Rafiki)


Little Mermaid - 1


101 Dalmations - 1


Hercules - 1


Lilo and Stitch - 1


Sword in the Stone - 1


Emperor's New Groove - 1 


Hunchback of Notre Dame - 3 (gargoyle masons?)





2 roles left (or 4 if mason idea is wrong).

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With the way this is distributed I doubt all the scum will originate from the same film.
I expect more roles from the "Lion King" because of its popularity, but that's about it.

Also, can anyone enlighten me about the "Emperor's New Groove"? I haven't seen it and don't have a clue about possible roles from that one...

[Porro]

What makes you think the masons may all be from the same movie, but the mafia won't?

Vote: Mgm

[Mgm]

Well masons have an obvious link between themselves most of the time.
(Don't you remember those? South Park Mafia's Charlie's Angels amongst others)

Also, can you name three characters from any of these movies that are likely mafia together? Hmmmm. You have a point, maybe it's three hyenas from the Lion King. But if my theory for masons holds that would mean there will have to be 13 players in total.

(4, from "Lion King" including Rafiki - assuming 3 mafia), 3 mason gargoyles (just sound perfect for that role to me), and one person from each other film makes a total of 13.

I guess night kill methods and mason identities will be the only things that can prove either of us wrong.

If the mafia are indeed a bunch of hyenas, I doubt they'd hang someone upside-down and let them bleed to dead.
Options :
1)Serial Killer
2) Newbie vig
2) Second mafia (highly unlikely in a mini)
3) Maybe I'm right and scum really isn't from the same movie - meaning it was a scum kill after all. (Who would string people up?)

Porro: Since you don't seem to think what I think is correct, could you enlighten us with what you think about the set-up of the game? And who did the night kill according to you?

[Mgm]

In other words, can point out a possible scum group for me that come from the same movie (other than the lion king, because of the numbers)?

[Porro]

Why act as if it's so implausible Mgm?

There are loads of options for 'same movie' mafia e.g.

Hercules: Hades, and his two bumbling minions
101 Dalmations: Cruella and her two bumbling sidekicks
The Lion King: IMHO you're wrong, the mafia would not be 3 hyenas, it would be Scar and 2 hyenas.

etc...

I'd agree with the theory of 1 mafia group, and 1 sk. Perhaps the mafia were stopped by our doc, and the sk did the hanging. So you can not discount, as you seem to, the Lion King mafia option.

IMO you're not normally this illogical Mgm, you're acting suspiciously, so Confirm Vote: Mgm

[Mgm]

4 characters from 1 movie?
I find this highly improbable (if there's masons present), but we can't be sure of anything right now. (We were wrong about the ATF mafia in South Park as well)

Let just see what happens and draw some conclusions when there is more info.

*still waiting for the silent players*

[Jedo the Jedi]

What's so important about figuring out which roles came from which movies? Will that help us find mafia? No. I think that you are just throwing stuff out there to confuse us and lead us down the wrong path. Therefore, Vote Mgm for his suspicious need to discover where the roles came from.

[Vinny]

Yap yap yap yap yap.

Vote Mgm

[Vinny]

FOS Jedo the Jedork

[Courk]

I really know 3 of the movies (Lion, mermaid, Dalamations)
I've seen Hercules recently, and Sword in the stone a long time ago
The other 2 I have no idea about - I'll be relyi ng on others to tell me if roles are evil or not.

Originally posted by Jedo:

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What's so important about figuring out which roles came from which movies? Will that help us find mafia? No.

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Ummm... Yes.

If we somehow figure out that Scar is in the game, I know I won't think he's a cop.

You still seem really jumpy. FOS: Jedo, again.

[Mgm]

Sorry for trying to get conversation going </sarcasm> I was comparing the scum from South Park mafia to the scum in this game, which might have been a bit premature. You never know what Nanook has thought up. Just keep it in mind for later when we have some things to base our thoughts on.

Vinny, please speak up, following Porro like a mindless sheep isn't in the best interest of the town. Give us your own thoughts on the game, instead of posting small posts without any substantial info in them.

Originally posted by "Courk":

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I really know 3 of the movies (Lion, mermaid, Dalamations)
I've seen Hercules recently, and Sword in the stone a long time ago
The other 2 I have no idea about - I'll be relyi ng on others to tell me if roles are evil or not.

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We're not expecting you to know all the movies, but relying on others for info is dangerous. That's a chance for the mafia to mislead you. Google is your friend.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Azdak]

Vote Jedo. What you said was crap. It is improbable that there be 4 roles from a single game if there are 12 people and 8 games total. Would you suggest that we should mindlessly follow everything Porro says? He never said we shouldn't listen to Porro, he just said that you should not completly trust someone in a game that's guaranteed to have several people you shouldn't trust.

[Jedo the Jedi]

No, it isn't improbable that there be 4 roles from one movie. If (and it doesn't have to be this way because Nanook could have opted to not use one of the movies) there was at least one role from each movie, then there are four roles left over. Very feaseably, there could be five roles from one movie. While this may be little unlikely, it is definitely not improbable.

I don't suggest that we mindlessly follow Porro either, but I trust him more than Mgm. And I too said that virtually no one can be trusted at this point.

[Azdak]

Psssst. Unlikely and improbable mean the same thing. You're thinking of the word impossible.

[MadMax]

FOS Jedo

[Meursault]

Players in this game: 11

Players definitely innocent: 1

Meursault

Players who seem innocent: 1

Jedo (IMO, he doesn't know enough to be deceptive in the way y'all are accusing, but we'll see.)

Players who seem neutral: 5

Azdak
Narninian (not posting)
Quagmire (not posting)
TT (not posting)
Vinny (Yap yap yap yap yap? I don't have a read on you yet.)

Players who seem suspicious (i.e. normal): 4

MadMax
MGM
Nauplius
Porro

Players who seem like they deserve my vote: 1

Courk (Honestly,

Originally posted by Courk:

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FOS: Jedo. He seems jumpy, maybe because he's already posted 3 times, but if you've seen other threads where he's participated, he always posts a lot. Yet, why would he be so interested here? It's day one, and townie have nothing to do but sit and observe - maybe Jedo has an eagerness to get to night again?

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this looks like, if I may borrow Antrax's term, Crap Logic at its best. You're saying he usually participates a lot, but if he were a townie he'd be quieter? I disagree completely; newbies who are Mafia tend to be quiet to avoid messing up. Additionally, it's a poor townie who promotes 'sitting and observing' as opposed to 'logic and trying to catch Mafia,' for example. Vote: Courk.)

People who haven't posted: start. Discussion is the only way to catch scum. I refuse to follow a rapid Day 1 bandwagon unless there's a good reason; no one's given a good reason for the Jedowagon.

Note about roles: this is a question of second-guessing the mod. Maybe Nanook didn't use roles from some movies, maybe he did. Certainly if he wanted to mess with people, it would be pretty easy to make the 'good guys' into Mafia, rendering all knowledge useless. This has been done before: ralphmerridew, if I'm not mistaken, ran a LOTR mini here with hobbits as Mafia; also, I believe there's a Mario mini running on MS where Peach was listed as scum. Don't quote me on these.

We'll have to work out a way to gauge role claims when and if they come. For right now, let's focus on yelling at each other and trying to see who breaks under pressure, okay?

Meursault.

[Legend of Tenshi]

Very sorry to do this to you all, but you will need a replacement for TT. She let me know she wont be playing. In fact she wants to sever any chance she ever has of seeing me again. I am sorry but you will need to find a sub.

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I'm looking for a good sig, wanna help?

[Courk]

Mgm, if I were to say, "I've never seen Lion King, what's the role of Scar?" and John Doe said that he was the warm lovable character who helped Simba through some hard times, I would hope everyone else would finger him as a liar. As Google doesn't work on my com puter (God knows why), I can't quickly check the characters. The best I can do is IMDB, but that doesn't always say who was bad and who was good in the movie.

Meursault, I don't quite understand this part of your post:
"Additionally, it's a poor townie who promotes 'sitting and observing' as opposed to 'logic and trying to catch Mafia,' for example."
Are you agreeing with me? In my post I said that townies had nothing to do but sit and observe and thus try to determine who is mafia.

And is it really crap logic to finger someone as suspicious because they seem too eager? For a vote that'd be crap, but all I said was that his eagerness made me suspicious of him, but as that is the only thing I have against him, I didn't vote for him because I know it's a crappy reason to vote.

[Azdak]

I voted him because i think he's tried using questionable logic to get someone lynched.

[Meursault]

By that reasoning, I should vote you.

You think his logic is questionable because he's scum. I think it's questionable because he's inexperienced.

[Meursault]

Bah, sorry to double post; missed Courk's questions:

No, I'm not agreeing with you. If every townperson sat back and observed, without engaging, there'd be no conversation. The townies wouldn't make any and the scum wouldn't make any because they'd be acting like townies. If, on the other hand, every townie engages, discusses, attacks, and questions, the scuma re forced to as well, which means there's that much more chance to read reactions and hope they slip up - or just get the general bad vibe that has me voting you.

You have a point, you didn't start a bandwagon. But your post feels like a Mafia filler comment to me - it looks like you're analyzing, discussing, but there's nothing there, and you'd be perfectly happy if everyone said "Yes, Courk, you're right!" and sent the wagon off the cliff, so to speak.

I'm just trying to get conversation out there. We'll see what happens in the long run.

Meursault

[Azdak]

So should we just never lynch newbies? They'll never learn not to crap logic unless we lynch them for crap logicking... Anyways you're right. I was just getting annoyed. I have no idea whether he's actually scum or not, but this is day 1. On day 1 you find any excuse to vote someone. In this case my excuse just happens to be that he's using a crappy excuse to vote someone. Um.... yeah... Unvote Jedo

[Courk]

Meur, Jedo posted 3 times in the first 6 posts of the game, and in those posts he voted and unvoted twice. By sit and observe, I meant that a townie might make an initial post, but then sit and observe people's reactions to each other and make another post voicing suspicions from those. A mafioso, especially an inexperienced one, is more likely to hover and appear to participate by posting a lot.