SOUTH PARK MAFIA: GAME OVER

[MadMax]

Unvote BadAndie............FOS DP

[Mgm]

[Mgm]

Narninian said:

[ZeroK]

/UNVOTE BadAndie There was no real reason to vote him in the first place if he was just trying to get discussion going.

Narninian may be mistaken or faking, but since its only day 1, that seems like a pretty risky gambit to just make up out of the blue just to frame a random townie. If he were lying and we were to believe him, then we could easily lynch him tomorrow, losing 1 scum and 1 townie. Or if he is telling the truth, we could lynch a scum today. The main risk is that he could just be innocently incorrect and they are both townies, but it seems like a reasonable chance to take.

So even without strong information one way or the other, and not knowing which person to believe, I think it might make sense to try lynching DP, and then lynching Narninian if DP turns out to be innocent.

/VOTE DP

[ZeroK]

Mgm, I didn't really notice that post of Narninian's when I posted in which he denied being a cop. You're right it was pretty late at night, even on the left coast.

[ZeroK]

Addendum to last post: I'm used to forums where I can go back and edit my posts, not Mafia forums, so often I post too soon, before I read and think about everything I've read. I'm trying to counter that posting style, so bear with me.

[NanooktheWolf]

Vote Count:

(5) Dragon Phoenix: Narnininian, MacadamiamaN, Sweetwater, Vegetable, Zerok
(1) Zerok: BadAndie
(1) Nauplius: Internet Stranger
(1) Lord of Tenshi: Dragon Phoenix

It's 8 to lynch

Please inform me if any mistakes have been made.

[This message has been edited by NanooktheWolf (edited 05-02-2004 07:49 PM).]

[ZeroK]

You didn't take into account my unvote.

[Internet Stranger]

I say we just do the classic reaction. Lynch DP then take it out on Narinian tomorrow if he is wrong. That will teach him not to open his mouth next time until he is 100% sure.

Narinian, next time can you just say "Vote DP" instead of a half assed role claim please?

Unvote Nauplius
Vote: DP

[Narninian]

That is 7 votes for you DP - are you sure you dont want to role claim? - there is a chance that role claiming will help you.

[Vegetable]

This isn't a random "let's get some info from someone" bandwagon this is a "someone says they learnt that you are evil" bandwagon. Morals be damned. Just give us some info.

[Narninian]

UNVOTE: DP

Want to give him some breathing room so he doesnt get lynched before he gets a chance to respond. I'm basing my assumptions of his on what roles are most likely to be scum - if he were to role claim(which I know he is against) he might be able to save himself. If not its likely that he is guilty.

[Legend of Tenshi]

I will Unvote IS

FOS DP. Lets hear a good reason not to vote for you.

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[Mgm]

I'm getting bad vibes from DP. Normally he gives a much larger defense against an accusation like this. Now, it seems he's silent on purpose. Something like "I'm not saying anything. They'd have to unvote me before I say another word." To me that's not looking like town attitude.

On the other hand he could just be telling us outright, lynching him will do us no good.

Some questions:
1. Narninian, you're life is on the line here as well. If we lynch DP and he turns out to be innocent, a lot of people are thinking of lynching you next. Are you really willing to take that risk?
2. DP, I don't think you're going to get out of this without saying something more. Narninian made an accusation against you and you lept straight to cop sanity issues while she could easily be another investigative role. (Burglar, caterer, gunsmith, etc.) Or she could just have been given info by the mod for some reason. Can you give us anything that might make us reconsider your position? Can you give any more info without making a full claim?

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"Any mystery devised by mortal minds can be solved
therewith." -- Sherlock Holmes.

[NanooktheWolf]

Vote Count:
(5) Dragon Phoenix: MacadamiamaN, Sweetwater, Vegetable, Zerok, Internet Stranger
(1) Lord of Tenshi: Dragon Phoenix

It's 8 to lynch

Please inform me if any mistakes have been made.

Also Narnininian hasn't received any more information from me then what is required by HIS role...

[Narninian]

I can give more info - I probably will if thats what is needed - but it will be easier to determine whether DP is scum or not if he claims first.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote Tenshi, vote MGM

As a newbie, how come you pretend to know so much about my playing style ("Normally he gives a much larger defense against an accusation like this. Now, it seems he's silent on purpose. ")

I'll say it once again, and this is a stance well-known to those of you who have played with me, or ingames I've modded: I think early role claims, especially in a themed game, are detrimental to the game. All it invites is the moronic tactics of bandwagon/claim/bandwagon/claim/bandwagon/claim/deadline/lynch. IMHO of course.

I'm not claiming. Period. The only thing I'll say is that it is indeed possible that someone saw me around Logain's house last night. That does not mean I killed him. There are plenty of other possibilities (neighbourhood watch, incompetent doctor, doctor failing to stop double kill attempt, blocked doctor, burglar, tax inspector, mail man, chimney sweep). In that sense, I believe Narninian is genuine, and the most stupid thing you could is lynch me and after you find I'm innocent (and dead), lynch Narninian as well.

[Dragon Phoenix]

W.r.t the paranoid cop reaction. That was my reaction right from the first time Narninina posted "vote DP" in her first post. Usually, such a vote is done by a cop. I should have realised that her role could include some observation, rather than an investigation.

[Mgm]

[Mgm]

Narninian, you're investigative role is pretty much out in the open already, so I wouldn't mind more info on DP.

[Narninian]

Well admitting to being around the crime scene has made him even more suspicious. I guess its time to give my info. Nanook kinda of ruined my plan by saying that I didnt get info from another role - I guess Ill be vunerable tonight.

I dont wanna give a full claim yet, but Ill give you me results. I can steal stuff from people each night. I stole an ATF uniform from DP last night.

[Mgm]

That's enough for me. The ATF killed some innocent people coming from the meteor shower party in the actual episode and I can't see how that's good.

Doc(s): Protect Narninian tonight. His/her ability can be useful.

Vote: DP
DP: Can you explain to me how ATF could be town in South Park Mafia?


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"Any mystery devised by mortal minds can be solved
therewith." -- Sherlock Holmes.

[NanooktheWolf]

Vote Count:
(6) Dragon Phoenix: MacadamiamaN, Sweetwater, Vegetable, Zerok, Internet Stranger, MGM
(1) MGM: Dragon Phoenix
It's 8 to lynch

Please inform me if any mistakes have been made.

[MadMax]

Vote DP

[Dragon Phoenix]

vote DP

Let the night begin.

[Internet Stranger]

I have not been of much necessity for this round, so no need to join the arguements. Apparently DP is evil scum after all. So let the night begin.

[NanooktheWolf]

Dragon Phoenix is dragged from the party to outside, where he gets stomped insanely, while his last words were "I won't tell you guys anyghing", and he finishes himself off by putting the rifle in his mouth and pulling the trigger.

Dragon Phoenix (Commited Suicide, ATF Member, Mafia)

Good Job Town, Now all night choices in by Thursday at Noon!

[NanooktheWolf]

Internet Stranger was quite the popular one last night, let me tell you. Everyone was worried that he may very well be mafia (except for mafia of course), but no instead he was in a mason group with some of the hippest people ever! Charlie's Angels....Anyways, Internet Stranger also known as Pip...see no one likes Pip and because of this he was ambushed. Pummeled to the ground like no other. You found a bullet in his forehead and a knife in his back....Talk about harsh. He was also wearing some women's garments...eww!

It is now Day....

12 are left, and it takes 7 to lynch!

[This message has been edited by NanooktheWolf (edited 05-05-2004 03:50 PM).]

[Porro]

Well I suppose we're lucky that (presumably) the mafia and the SK targetted the same player.

Anyone got any info to make today as easy as yesterday? Narninian?

[ZeroK]

Well, we lost an angel, but we lynched the right guy. Not bad.

I for one am curious to see if Narninian has anything to add. He gets +1 points in my book for leading us to the right guy, but I'm still bothered by the fact that I can't figure out who he might be playing, so we can't be positive he has the same winning conditions as the rest of town. Anyone have any ideas on what character could do what he describes?

I'd also like to hear from some of the people who abstained from voting for DP. Of course, even DP voted for himself at the end, so nobody is above suspicion.

[Narninian]

Internet Stranger was REALLY popular last night indeed- I stole from his house and got the women's clothing. I can assure you that I'm pro-town. I havnt given my role yet because I dont want mafia to claim it - but they probably would be afriad to anyway so if thats what everyone wants I will claim.

[ZeroK]

Looking back on Internet Stranger's posts, I was hoping to see if he might have annoyed anyone, but really he didn't say a whole lot to make a target of himself, so its odd that he was targetted not once but twice. (he did vote for naupilus, but it was random). The only thing interesting that he said, other than to vote for DP, was "I have not been of much necessity for this round, so no need to join the arguements." Maybe the use of the word necessity lead people to think he might have an important town role. Narninian is obviously the most likely to have a role, but as such they may have assumed he would be protected.

[ZeroK]

Claim later if you have to, but right now you're probably at the bottom of the suspect list out of all of us, Narninian. Its mostly idle curiosity on my part about who you could be. At the very end of the game, your winning conditions could be an issue, but for now you're pretty clearly anti-mafia, which is good enough.

Since you divulged that you snooped around in his clothes, was there anything in particular that made him seem like a good target? Just that he was a little quiet?

[ZeroK]

VOTE: NAUPLIUS, for lurking. He hasn't made a single post yet.

[Porro]

ZeroK: use bold to vote (if you're not familiar with how to 'tag' bold lettering, click the edit button for this post to see.

My guess would be that IS was targetted because he is an experienced player.

[ZeroK]

Targetted 3 times is still quite a coincidence.

Yes yes, bold. The last game I played was on AIM, and it was capitals. Make up your minds people. I've voted in bold in the past, its just hard to context switch.

Vote: Naupilus, for the same reason I voted him before, except bold.

[Porro]

On the role claim thing Narninian, I think you've got everyone's trust, and probably doc protection.

I understand your hesitancy to name yourself, so IF you decide to tell us more about your role/ability (if there is more to tell other than that you nick things) just leave your name out of the claim. That way, if a scum claims it later, you can nail him.

[Mgm]

--Long Post Alert--
I've used headings for your viewing pleasure.

On IS's death:
Very strange, IS was targetted by more people. What brought that about? He wasn't very present, but I didn't find any reason to really suspect him of being scum yesterday.

ADDENDUM (while I'm writing Porro is posting): On the other hand the experienced player thing (as Porro said) makes sense. It just makes me wonder why Porro himself wasn't killed last night? (Maybe he's scum? )

On Narninian:
The fact Narninian claims to have burgled IS last night only makes things more difficult today. We have to lynch without definite proof, unless another investigator comes forward (please don't! We don't know if you can be protected.)

Narninian: what made you pick IS out of all people?

On the lurker/non-DP-voters
Like Zerok, I'd like to hear from the people that didn't vote DP yesterday when the evidence was overwhelming. I'd especially like to hear from Nauplius for not saying anything yesterday. IGMEOY!

Early night
The fact that DP voted himself makes me think the mafia wanted the day to end early. When it was clear DP was scum, no mafia dared unvote him - they'd be labelled scum. I'd guess the end of the day was staged to end quickly with MadMax doing the second last vote to help out DP.

FOS:MadMax

Speculation: Narninian Bad?
On the other hand, I can't stop speculating Narninian could be mafia outing a fellow mob with her knowledge to gain confidence (bold move, but DP would have been involved in it, so not completely unlikely). Why else did Narninian investigate IS? There were far more scummy looking people around.

I guess this speculation on Narninian can be put to rest by a cop, for now it looks like Narninian is pro-town.
I agree with Porro here: Don't reveal your name unless you have to. It can nail an extra scum later if they try to claim it.

My main suspects
Looking back at day 1, I have two main suspects:
- Quagmire: He only FOSes me and BadAndie, but never votes, not even random. Is he afraid of OMGUS/retaliation votes? Why didn't he vote DP when we had the evidence (or Narninian if he didn't believe her), surely he had enough time to do so? He also FOSed me for jumpy voting when in fact, I only changed once before he posted that FOS.
-Porro: Only FOSes DP (reply 38) and is willing to wait for role claim from him, when Narninian expressed (s)he had info on him. Wasn't actively trying to prove someone's guilt or innocence.

Porro: How long where you away for?

My vote
For now, I'll Vote:Quagmire for only posting twice with no helpful information and the use of crap logic.

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"Any mystery devised by mortal minds can be solved
therewith." -- Sherlock Holmes.

[Mgm]

Oh Zerok, I meant to ask you: Why did you list Cartman as possible scum on your infamous list when Stan was already found dead and innocent?

[ZeroK]

Because Cartman is a mean little SOB. Many South Park episodes revolve around him doing something terrible. I listed him as "possible" scum, not definite scum. As it is now, it looks like the ATF will be the mafia, with one other character as serial killer.