Movie mafia THE END

[Kd]

(Before I type the rest of this post, I'd like to point out that I have absolutely nothing against Damelon at this stage, I'd simply like to say a few things.)

Originally posted by Damelon:

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Personally I didn't vote for you because of anything you've done. First day someone has to go in the barrel. Typically there is no strong reason for it. And it sucks, I'm glad it's not me.

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Yeah, I understand that. I'd like to hope it's not going to be me that gets the noose either. All my remark meant was that I'm aware my vote change and my new-found interest in avoiding my bandwagon may seem suspicious, but it's also a necessary thing in mafia - just like lynching someone.

[jadesmar]

Well, perhaps this:

vote: Quailman

One of the bandwagons needs forcing at this point and I am too lazy to count which is the biggest. Though the movie list was amusing.

Mod, vote count please.

[Hitchhiker]

er...Vote: Sweetwater

(darn ubb tags)

[Hitchhiker]

Time to get on a bandwagon, I guess.

Unvote: Sparticus
Vote: Sweetwater[/b]

[Damelon]

Originally posted by jadesmar:

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One of the bandwagons needs forcing at this point and I am too lazy to count which is the biggest.

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Uh-huh. KD had three as of last count, Q had one. Now, one vote isn't a bandwagon. So one can only assume that you must have scanned the votes. However, there was only one vote and one unvote for Q after that. That's out of 7 votes and 4 unvotes. I think it's pretty amazing that you'd think Q has a "bandwagon" at that point (only 1 vote though).

I think it's extremely suspicious that you selectively missed that.

FOS: jadesmar

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote count update, 11 to lynch, 6 to lynch at retractable deadline Tue 2PM GL time :

Sweetwater 5 (Raist, Darkblade, Quailman, Kd, Hitchhiker)
Kd 4 (Mackay, Sparticus, Sweetwater, Damelon)
Taflinel 2 (TANSTAAFL, DMTSurel
Quailman 2 (Porro, jadesmar)
Quagmire 1 (Taflinel)
Sparticus 1 (Hitchhiker)
Jesternl 1 (Green Crayons)
JDTAY 1 (Madmax))

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[jadesmar]

Ok, Damelon you clearly underestimate the speed of my post scanning.

My mistake lies in counting posts 74, 76, and 78 as votes for Quailman.. appologies to Quailman.

unvote: Quailman

(Hmm.. perhaps, my actual mistake was drinking 5 bottles of wine since 2pm GL time)

[MadMax]

Sweetwater, speak up before the final vote comes.

[Werebear]

Please give sweetwater a chance to speak up... lynching blindly only helps the mafia.

[Mackay]

I'll keep my vote where it is until I see a more worthy target. Kd, you are right. It *does* look suspicious that you are suddenly all defensive. But seeing as you admitted it yourself, I'm not going to go on a rampage or whatever. I agree that we should wait for sweetwater to say something, but how long will it be? He (she?) has posted in another game I am in at the moment, and it's been since the last time I checked the mafia forum. *is too lazy to go check dates and times and the like* It looks a little weird to me. But no vote yet.
Anyway, Damelon makes a sad, but valid point. It has to be someone. I just hope it turns out okay. Themed games confuse me... all the smoke-and-mirrors stuff makes it hard to know what's real. Especially in something as broad as "movies"... even valid role claims are likely to be doubted. I'm hoping we don't get into the "bandwagon to force a role claim, then switch to the next unwitting victim" pattern, is all.
Anyway, I'm rambling and saying nothing of note, so I'll stop now. I just thought I'd better post something... I don't like lurking. Or lurkers. *has her eye on sweetwater* *in a bad way*

[jesternl]

Green Crayons.. I don't usually respond to sillyness like that...
I'm sure some bad guy will use this as an excuse to go after me later, but Damelon stated it quite well, first days suck.
Vote: Sweetwater

[sweetwater]

I'm at the office now. I can't talk.

Am detective Sam Spade. Investigator. I found innocent. More details tonite when I get home.

[Quailman]

unvote: Sweetwater

[Green Crayons]

Well, it has taken you quite some time to respond at all. And you lynched our cop, jester.

[jesternl]

Don't be so eager to point fingers GC... It's six to lynch at the deadline, which we aren't at yet.
Unvote: Sweetwater
Although Cop/Doc is pretty standard defense for mafia...

[Werebear]

Read the rules before voting, jesternl. Why do you think I didn't add mine???

Originally posted by The Mod, in the Rules:

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[06] Lynching will be carried out once a regular majority is reached - and cannot be undone by unvoting. If I impose a day deadline, lynching will require at least half of the regular majority. In case of a tie, first come first served.

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Let's hope he was lying scum, and not a cop.

[Quailman]

I am hoping that the rule only applies with the majority, and that the six only applies at the time of the deadline. Did anyone else get to six today? It would probably go to that person first. - Never mind. I just checked. Kd only got to three.


But we need to lynch someone.

[Raist]

We've still got time here, as its 11 to lynch prior to the deadline. Looks like we'll all just have to wait for sweetwater to come home from work.

[jesternl]

That's how I read it too, 6 at deadline time = lynch..

[Damelon]

Yes. Werebear is wrong. And hystrionic.

In the case of majority, that is the event which causes the lynch. The play is over at that point.
In the case of a deadline, that is the event which causes the lynch. Whatever happened before that matters little.

[Kd]

Sam Spade - from which movie? I'm not very good with movies... why have some of you accepted sweetwater's claim without anyone saying 'Yup. It's the truth, here's the relevant link.'? Or am I just too young to instantly know what's going on?

Originally posted by Quail:

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But we need to lynch someone.

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And it looks like it will be me... Like I've said before, a) I'm an innocent townie, and b) I don't feel a need to roleclaim to prove that yet either. If you're going to end up bandwagoning me for the sake of a bandwagon (now that sweetwater's been unvoted a few times, I have the most votes against me), then that's your choice. Like Mackay said, even valid role claims can be doubted, and that will probably turn out to work against me.

[Werebear]

The Maltese Falcon. A classic movie, full of backstabbing and intrigue. I'm really surprised you haven't heard of it!

Apologies, I didn't realize that was the DEADLINE amount to lynch. *shakes head* I think I'm in too many at once.

[Quailman]

[Hitchhiker]

Unvote: Sweetwater

My feeling is that Sam Spade (from The Maltese Falcon) is a famous enough detective role that there's a certain risk in falsely claiming it, because there'd be a good chance of the "real" Sam Spade coming out and denouncing you.

FOS: Mackay for emphasizing Kd's "defensiveness." Firstly, why wouldn't a person with a sizeable bandwagon on her head be defensive? Secondly, Kd's behavior is totally consistent with other games in which she's been a townie (and lynched despite her protests). That doesn't mean she's not now using it as a cover, but it doesn't automatically make her suspicious either.

[Dragon Phoenix]

deadline revoked

Keep the discussion going and we won't need deadlines. The deadline will return though if discussion stalls.

[Kd]

Hitch: Before anyone else points this out, and uses it against me, I've never been lynched in a mafia game. I've been in 2 games before:

1) Clue Mafia. I was the cult leader, and I quit after an argument with Darkblade. I'm very sorry that happened, and it won't happen again.

2) Newbie Mafia. I was a townie, but the mafia won after 2 days, I think. I was still alive at the end.

So... yeah.

[Damelon]

[Kd]

So... I said that if I role claim, I may not be believed anyway, and you think I'm bluffing... I understand so far...

So if I role claim, what will you do? Believe me or not?

[Agamemnon]

Plagiarist!

[Hitchhiker]

If you claim a plausible role, why should people not believe you?

My mistake about Clue...I thought you were lynched, but you quit. All I remembered was that you disappeared

[Damelon]

[Mackay]

HH, it wasn't Kd's defensiveness so much that bothered me as the fact that she went from not caring (when she was on three votes, I believe) to suddenly acting defensive, on 4 votes.

[Raist]

Originally posted by sweetwater:

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Am detective Sam Spade. Investigator. I found innocent. More details tonite when I get home

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While I tend to belive the claim, I'll want to wait for those promised details before I change my vote.

off topic: amazing thing today, I was selected for a jury and the entire time I kept thinking how much the trial was like a game of mafia. I kept looking for the scum in the testimony

[sweetwater]

First thing first: Mackay, I am a he IRL. You joined the GL while I was away, so understandably you wouldn't know that. I'm very pleased to meet you, as well as the others who don't know me. As you can tell from my name, I am one of the nicest guys around here. Now please allow me to assuage your evileyeness towards me. I am Sam Spade (from Maltese Falcon): private detective with investigative powers, albeit limited. I can determine the role assigned to somebody, but I am not told whether the role is good or bad. Obviously I have to find that out myself. I am aligned with the town.

I don't carry any weapon, and so I can cause harm to no one, but that leaves me defenseless and a soft target to the evildoers. (I am already dead, only they haven't signed the death warrant.) All I have is this stupid camera, an excess baggage is all it is in fact, since I don't even know if the damn thing works. Didn't work last night, that's for sure. Perhaps it is in automode and fires when a crime is committed within snapshot, but one never really knows.

Anyway last night I discovered someone's role which I thought was innocent. Figuring that one out - the role's innocence - didn't require an excessive amount of skill nor wizardry. Of course, I could have been wrong, but that seemed highly unlikely, considering what I knew about the character. This character could help me, and by extension, the town.

So please reverse your votes now, and I'll pretend this nonsensical bandwagon did not happen. Thank you.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote count update, 11 to lynch, no deadline:

Kd 4 (Mackay, Sparticus, Sweetwater, Damelon)
Sweetwater 3 (Raist, Darkblade, Kd)
Taflinel 2 (TANSTAAFL, DMTSurel)
Quailman 1 (Porro)
Quagmire 1 (Taflinel)
Sparticus 1 (Hitchhiker)
Jesternl 1 (Green Crayons)
JDTAY 1 (Madmax)

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[Raist]

as promised... unvote sweetwater
and Vote KD for two reasons

1) blatent bandwagoning, however on day one there realy isn't any other option.

2) the sudden change in mood that was noted is... odd.

[Kd]

Ok, I'll do my best to explain this for you.

The reason I suddenly became defensive was as follows: A deadline had just been imposed, and aside from sweetwater, I looked like a fairly promising candidate for the chop. After his roleclaim, (and I swear I've never seen the film) it became more apparent that I'm the suspect of choice for the rest of you. I don't think it odd that I should want to avoid my death. Admittedly, it was a sudden change, I don't deny that, but it was a change I think I had to make, considering the circumstances. Now, I don't want to be lynched, nobody ever does. I'm not just going to sit back and say 'Sure, bring the rope and I'll tie the knot myself'. I'm being defensive because I'm an innocent townie. As it stands, I still don't feel any need to prove my role... I'm up to what, 5 votes now... maybe later, if you're still feeling the need to vote for me.


And my blatant bandwagoning? True. I'll admit that I voted for sweetwater to get myself out of a tight spot. Unvote: sweetwater Terribly sorry about that.

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- A person who never asks questions either knows everything or nothing.

Kd's Rants: Coming Soon! (Yeah, so that means whenever I bother to finish the first one...)

[Damelon]

"Innocent townie"
Somehow I doubt there is anyone in this game who is merely an "innocent townie."
I'd give you a FOS, but since I've already voted for you that'd be a bit of a breach of etiquette.

[Kd]

Why thankyou. I actually rather like FOS. It gives me this funny mental picture of IS pointing at people and yelling 'Mafia Scum! Lynch Him/Her/It!'

And you have a fair point about the 'innocent townie' bit, Damelon. It's a DP game, after all. So maybe I should rephrase...

At this stage in the game, I am an innocent townie.

There. I think that's a little better.

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- A person who never asks questions either knows everything or nothing.

Kd's Rants: Coming Soon! (Yeah, so that means whenever I bother to finish the first one...)

[jadesmar]

Kd, please tell me the name of your character.