GL Mafia -- Part III, Day 2, 3 to lynch

[Ghost of Neo]

The List(TM)

1. Cruciverbalist/MatthewV II/Beartalon III
   
2. Lucky Wizard
   
3. Macros
   
4. Quailman
   
5. SK

The Bodies
Player - role - alignment
xer0x - Aholnu - town
Dragon Phoenix/Courk - Werebear - evil



[This message has been edited by Ghost of Neo (edited 09-28-2003 09:01 PM).]

[Ghost of Neo]

When we last left our confuzzled town, they'd just awoke to find Courk, aka Mark J. Tilford, the replacement moderator, had been killed. With a groan the town is thinking "Not AGAIN!" but luckily, the spirit of Neo returns and decrees it to be night again, and tells all to send their choices.

Courk, Mark J. Tilford, The Mod, has been killed. Night falls again, 72 hour deadline

Send choices to mafia_mod again.

[This message has been edited by Ghost of Neo (edited 09-13-2003 04:02 PM).]

[Ghost of Neo]

The town wakes reluctantly, unsure of what is going on. They find xer0x, dead. No more Aholnu

It is day. 4 to lynch.

[This message has been edited by Ghost of Neo (edited 09-15-2003 11:28 PM).]

[Quailman]

I don't know about anyone else, but my role did not change from GL Mafia 2. We got Luna Capone with our last lynch. When GL2 started, there were 2 Capone Mafia left, Luna and the lawyer, who could buy votes. I don't know what happened in 2, if the lawyer came over, he's likely a regular mafia who can kill now. I am waiting to hear from Beartalon3 before I cast my vote among the remaining 4.

Yesterday I had found SK suspicious for having gotten a night choice when I did not believe we had a chance to make one. Then Matthew (HyToFry) said he had an investigation with an innocent result. The way he nailed Gaspode was Gaspode's claim of Matthew's role. So I am waiting to see if Beartalon indeed received an investigation result from the first night, and whether he found scum last night.

[xer0x]

Bah. Avenge the animals!

[sk]

um, i also got 2 results last night again- i think it was because it was a double night.
anywho, i now know about 3 people, (plus my own role) so if Bear3.0 wants to give his investigations, we could probably know who the mafia are.

i may or may not have gotten mafia last night. i can't really tell because these tarot card readings are confusing (and are pretty vague at best)

if you guys think this person is mafia, i'll reveal the name but if not... well that makes 4 townies, so if bear's got the other 2 then we're set...

so person i investigated:
associated with reuniting with friends; has a secret

so- um last dogpac or perhaps mafia? that's all i can get out of it.

-SK

[Quailman]

Sounds like last dogpack. ~still waiting for BT3~

[Lucky Wizard]

My role didn't change last night either.

*has no other thoughts on the game*

But yeah, input from Beartalon would be helpful.

[Ghost of Neo]

vote count

[Dragon Phoenix]

Copycat..

Like everyone, waiting for BT the Third.

[sk]

well how about this: the two people i don't know about are dp and lw. so- if bear knows about either, then we know who the mafia is.
otherwise, we weasel a role claim out of either or just lynch one. next day, we've got the mafia.

right?

-sk

[Beartalon]

(I have been without an Internet connection for a few days).

My role did not change. I am HyToFry as MatthewV was.

Last night, I chose you, SK. I got that you were pro-town, but definitely had night choices.

Let's hear the role claims from the two we don't know about: Dragon Phoenix and Lucky Wizard.

And if it helps, here's what I know from Part I (which may or may not have changed - I wasn't here for most of Part II) - Lucky Wizard was the remaining mason in the first part of the game.

[Lucky Wizard]

Well, I am Kevin Lin.

My ability is that, if we lose Hy, I return to the GL from my world travels and gain Hy's cop powers.

Question for Beartalon: Did MatthewV get an investigation immediately before the first day of part II?

[Dragon Phoenix]

I am Chienfou himself, last of the masons.

I don't believe Kevin Lin would be in the game.

vote Lucky Wizard

[Quailman]

Originally posted by sk:

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so person i investigated:
associated with reuniting with friends; has a secret

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This could be a mason. It could also be a goon. I think we need to know just who this was.

Originally posted by Beartalon:

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And if it helps, here's what I know from Part I (which may or may not have changed - I wasn't here for most of Part II) - Lucky Wizard was the remaining mason in the first part of the game.

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I don't know if additional masons would be added in part deux, but if we only had one remaining mason, then xer0x it was, and DP is lying.

I'd like to hear exactly what sk and Beartalon know about whom, if they indeed investigated anyone else.

[sk]

well, i know that mattv, in part 1, was a dogpack. or else "man's best friend" has a new non-canine meaning that i'm not aware of.
when we switched to part 2, i not only got a result for him for part1, but for part 2 also. i just assumed "seeking" meant that he was still looking for dogpack (since i kept my role type, just not my name, i figured things didnt' change too much)
but since i was sure he was protown, when he said he was hy, as opposed to others who claimed my previous role i just went with it.

since we had 2 nights, i got 2 investigations yesterday. quail and mac. mac's was the one that i shared with you. quail= positive actions, takes care of things, and prosperity folows him. methinks he's a doc

oh, and i still can't believe that bearty thought i was scum.
*does the i'm still a stupid cop dance*

-sk

[Macros]

Fos dp
i dont think chein himself was included, just the other members of the dogpack.
just a hunch

[Beartalon]

The infoprmation I have:

Lucky Wizard was one of the dog pack in Part I (matthewV was KankiHund?)

MatthewV managed two investigations on Part II: Macros and xer0x were claimed innocent.
My investigation this past night was of SK, also innocent.

I'm wondering if HyToFry is actually a sane cop. Actually, I checked my role descripotion again. It says "sanity unknown". Great.

[Beartalon]

I need to read EVERYTHING:

For macros it says he shows great loyalty and is one of the town's best friends. Why for xer0x would it just say innocent, but for Macros, an entire descriptive sentence?

[Courk]

Ooh ooh ooh. DP needs a replacement. *volunteers*

[sk]

when i was hy, i didn't get any of that junk about sanity unknown. it just said i could use my l33t mod powers to get info on people

*shrugs*

[Beartalon]

Maybe MatthewV assumed that when he got innocents twice in a row - I dont' know. The email from Mark says whet sk just said.

You know what? I'm far too tired to amke any real sense. New meds and overtired. Night.

[Lucky Wizard]

I can confirm that MatthewV and I were KrankiHund and AhoInu -- the remaining members of the DogPack -- the first time around. With one DogPack dead, there is one left.

Hmmm... Here's a list of the roles claimed, and those who have claimed them.

ChienFou (Dragon Phoenix)
Kevin Lin (me!)
HyToFry (Beartalon)
ralphmerridew (SaberKitty)

Given that HyToFry and AhoInu were carried over from the first game, it seems reasonable to assume that the roles are the roles from the first game. So let's see what good roles were in the first game or were claimed in that game or were mentioned afterwards as having been in that game.

Dragon Phoenix
KrankiHund
mole

Hmmmm.... 7 roles, 6 people. Which means... two of the roles must be false role claims by the same role! Let's see which of the three first-game roles was most likely to not have been in the first game. I know for a fact that KrankiHund was in the first game. As for Dragon Phoenix, xer0x said he had his role in the first game. Since xer0x was the innocent dog AhoInu, he would not have lied. Which leaves mole as the false role claim. Okay, so we know that one of the four who has claimed a role is mafia, and that he has the same role Gaspode had in the first game when he claimed mole. Which brings up an interesting point: Gaspode was telling the truth about unlynchability. Which means... (gulp) there must be an unlynchable evil role. So the roles claimed/known are:

ChienFou (Dragon Phoenix)
Kevin Lin (me!)
HyToFry (Beartalon)
ralphmerridew (SaberKitty)
Dragon Phoenix (unknown)
KrankiHund (not claimed, but definitely Macros)

Why do I say KrankiHund is Macros? Well, Macros has been singled out as a dog by SaberKitty and Beartalon, and he hinted that ChienFou was not in the game. He would only know that if he was the remaining dog or had been a dog the first time around. Since he was not a dog the first time around, he is the remaining dog KrankiHund. So, by process of elimination...

Quailman, you wouldn't happen to be Dragon Phoenix, would you?

So let's see which of the four role claimers lied, and is therefore mafia (since, by the logic above, one of them lied). I know I'm town. SaberKitty was the first to bring forth the (subsequently confirmed) Macros as a dog, and is certainly town. Beartalon is certainly Hy, given that MatthewV (his previous incarnation) would not have taken the risk of exposing himself as mafia if he hadn't really been Hy. Which leaves:

Vote Dragon Phoenix because I know CheinFou wasn't a dog the first time around, and also because of the analysis above.

[Beartalon]

Vote: Dragon Phoenix
Hopefully you are not "Ghost of Neo", necessitating GL Mafia Part IV...

[sk]

um.. just wondering... doesn't your logic mean that i'm scum too? (or perhaps i didn't follow it correctly)

[Courk]

*jumps in to replace DP* Heh. This is my 3rd time in this game.

While I'm having trouble following Lucky Wizard's logic (I've read it twice now), I do know something is wrong with it. Other than the obvious fact (to me at least) that I am (DP is) innocent, You're forgetting the role I mentioned in Part 2. When I took over for... Ningal(???), I was Werebear. You failed to include that. According to your logic, who has that role now?

[Lucky Wizard]

Just to clarify: I wasn't including scum roles in the list because one of the main purposes of the list was to try to figure out what roles the scum might have claimed. So I was listing role claims and potential role claims.

Werebear could be the evil role I referred to when I said:

Originally posted by me, buried deep within my analysis:

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two of the roles must be false role claims by the same [evil] role

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[Beartalon]

Well, let's either make someone talk and screw-up their logic or hope that we picked scum.

[SaberKitty]

i guess let's hope we're right.
vote: DP/Courk

and.. if we aren't, it's LW tmw

[Courk]

I guess there's not much more of a defense I can give. I'll just re-state what you've already been told. I'm ChienFou. As it appears there's no hope for me, I'll jsut wish you luck in finding out who's Werebear.

[Ghost of Neo]

I don't remember sending courky role info. I must be losing it. Sorry for being gone.

3 DP/Courk (Beartalon III, Lucky Wizard, SaberKitty)
1 Lucky Wizard (DP/Courk)

marker

The day appears it will end soon, no deadline.

[sk]

i dont' think all the old roles were put back into it and visa versa- i mean, i don't think anyone was either rm or Mark J before so.. you never know what those crazy mods will think of next.

also i know this is kinda crappy but i mena, town wins nomatter what, right?
if we kill dp and he's scum, we win. and if not, someone dies tonight but there are still 3 townspeople left to kill LW tmw. so i dont' think it really matters.
so whoever's left- just kill dp/courk and we'll be (almost??) done.

-sk

[Macros]

werebear is bound to be a scummy role (based on his newyork mafia plate)
but,, thankfully my hint was picked up on.
vote:dp/courk

[Ghost of Neo]

And the town drags Werebear to the gallows, but just before the platform drops, the court bailiff comes running out holding a piece of paper.

"It says you cannot lynch DP/Courk, by order of the district court!"

The town is sad, because they've been rather bloodthirsty today, but as soon as DP/Courk's hopes are at the highest, a wallet falls out of his pocket, falls open and shows the ID: Werebear Capone, Family Lawyer.

He hangs by the neck until he is dead, dead, dead.

It is night. 72 hours for choices.

[Ghost of Neo]

The town awakes after the longest night in history, and finds nobody dead.

5 alive, three to lynch.

[Beartalon]

Ok. My investigation last night was Quailman. In reverse order, in my own words:

[list]

Part III: Quailman as definitely a good guy, but his past is of dark origin.

Part III: Saberkitty's was similar: seems innocent but darkly so, yet appears pro-town.

Part II: Macros was also relatively verbose, but totally positive with no occult references.

Part II: xer0x was simply innocent.

DP/Courk is dead. No-one died last night, so this leaves Lucky Wizard to be the only one I haven't investigated and by assumption, must be guilty unless I an a naive cop. Whether I am or not, I am pro-town.

Vote: Lucky Wizard

Saberkitty, did you ever get a guilty when you were playing Hy?

[Quailman]

[Lucky Wizard]

I assure you that I am innocent. I am, as I have said, Kevin Lin.

Perhaps Bearty is naive. (Let's hear from SK on this.) All I know is that the last mafia is not me. And then, of course -- and this may be more likely -- perhaps there's a godfather, and someone believed innocent is actually the godfather.

By the logic in Reply 22, Bearty and SK and Macros are innocent. So maybe the godfather is Quailman. Plus... Quailman, you never answered my question in Reply 22. Trying to think of a role to claim?

Vote Quailman

Please unvote me.

Oh, and SK, in response to the beginning of Reply 31: I suspect the reason DP was put back in the game was to make room for a Mark J. Tilford role.

[Bear Skin Rug]

Bah, I was evil, and so was Werebear.

[sk]

well, last night we investigated lw. i'm pretty sure he's the gf- since my results were ocnflicting or someting like that.
but the individual cards meant: greed and insecurity, painful ending of a relationship, and strength

(sounds pretty gf-ish to me)

vote:lw

also- when i was hy, i think i got lepty as scum (and was right) if memory serves me correctly.

-sk