Discworld mafia 2 - Trouble in Lancre Town Wins

[Dragon Phoenix]

Corsato lynched, town wins


THE LIVING (6)

amb/Crackerjack2
Porro
Quercitron/Beaudoin2
Vegtable2001
Wordcross


THE DEAD
Crackerjack (Greebo, vigilante, killed by the Elves)
Kazooish (Elf, executed on orders of the king)
Beaudoin (Agnes/Perdita Nitt, witch, killed by the Elves)
JEEP (Elf, lnched)
Gaspode (Granny Weatherwax, witch, killed by the Elves)
Polotet (Mr. Brooks, the beekeeper, townie, lynched)
Dragon Slayer (Giamo Casanunda, townie, lynched)
Dan (Mrs. Scorbic, townie, lynched)
Leonidas (Elf, lynched)
Xeno (Shawn Ogg, Killed by the elves)
Corsato (Elf, lynched)
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Welcome to Lancre, the mountainous kingdom where King Verence 2 rules - although frequent assistance by the witches is necessary to keep the country out of trouble. You remember the episode that Pterry recorded in Lords and Ladies? Well, it's happening again. Some fool has danced at the standing stones, and opened the gates for the Elves to return and wreak havoc. Only this time they go about it a bit more subtle - they live amongst you but you would not recognise them at day.

Usual mafia rules apply. Main points:

* no conversing at 'night' and outside the game, unles you are part of a group.
* when you are dead, you are dead, no more posting essential information
* lynching is by majority - in case of deadline by at least half normal majority (in case of a tie, first come first served)
* no posting of emails from me
* have fun, don't be a jerk, and PLEASE don't lurk. Posting and voting are essential I will not hesitate to remove non-posters from the game.

THE LIVING (16)

amb
Beaudoin
Corsato
Crackerjack
Dan
Dragon Slayer
Gaspode
Jeep
Kazooish
Leonidas
Polotet
Porro
Quercitron
Vegtable2001
Wordcross
Xeno


THE DEAD
None. Yet.

Emails have been sent out. Please confirm by replying or posting. PLEASE quote your GL name in all emails.

Crackerjack: your email bounced - please supply alternative.

It is NIGHT. I need your choices. Deadline Sunday 2PM.



[This message has been edited by Neo (edited 05-18-2003 09:55 PM).]

[crackerjack]

Please try again ... kendahl.johnson@usafa.af.mil

[Porro]

Confirming

[Gaspode]

Confirm.

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You can't lose if you win.

[Corsato]

Didn't get an email....corsato@zonnet.nl

[Vegtable2001]

CONFIRM!!!!

[Polotet]

Confirmity.

[wordcross]

confirmed i have

[Leonidas]

Confirm !

[quercitron]

Confirm.

[Beaudoin]

mrifnoConfirm

[Corsato]

Confirm

[Dragon Slayer]

Confirm

[Dragon Phoenix]

Night in Lancre. Through the streets strolls one solitary figure. A small one. A one-eyed tomcat. Nanny Ogg's Greebo, nightmare of the Kingdom, father of most Lancrian cats, eater of vampires and terror of wolves. And he is pissed off, because Nanny lets him take on a human form every day now. At least, it is night and he has a licence to kill....

"Here, Kitty, Kitty"... Baffled, Greebo stares into the darkness. "Kitty??" This is going to be fun. A few seconds later he realises his mistake as a pointy eared figure grabs him by the neck. "Ah, Kitty, this will be fun...." An hour later, the elf finally has some mercy with him and wrings his neck.

SQUEEK

Greebo looks up, slightly disoriented, to observe a small skeletal rodent-like figure bent over him.

MY LITTLE HELPER WANTS TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM OVER THE YEARS

Slowly Greebo realises that behind the small figure there is a similar but much larger figure of more human like proportions, with blue stars sparkling in empty sockets.

THIS IS A BIT IRREGULAR, BUT I AM GOING TO KEEP YOU. I LOVE CATS.

Greebo, Nanny Ogg's cat, is the first victim of the Elves. His role (played by Crackerjack) was a vigilante type: he could kill a player every night if he wanted to.

Fifteen left alive, eight to lynch.

[This message has been edited by Dragon Phoenix (edited 02-23-2003 02:15 PM).]

[wordcross]

Vote: Veg because he's a suspicious character, no matter what game he's playing in

[Vegtable2001]

*Is pissed at town in other discworld maf* Vote Kazooish for crap logic. O wait, it's day 1. Random Vote Kazooish

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Flame Away

[quercitron]

Kazooish hasn't even posted. Vote: Dan because I've never played in a game with him before under that name (dying night 1 in Rock and Pop 2 doesn't count.)

[Vegtable2001]

That was the joke querci. He can't even OMGUS vote me until tommorow night.

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Flame Away

[Xeno]

In a game this small, someone must have received useful info last night. Even though it is day one, i hope that we can successfully go without random voting and lynching. Since rather experienced players are in this game, I hope that we can eliminate a lot of that randomness- especially because through our knowledge of Discworld, we can hopefully pick up on role hints and have at least some idea as to who we're up against. In a game this size, we could only have one killing group, elves, but it seems rather doubtful.
question for the town: who has opposed the witches?
We’ve got elves, who else has it in for them?

Also, something that I was thinking about- since the game has been cut down in size, could it be possible that we are lacking in prominent people from the witch books?

Not voting yet, because I hope we can have more information before a bandwagon is formed.

Xeno


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Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.

[Porro]

vote: Xeno for implying that a cop should reveal himself so early.

[Leonidas]

Come on, it's not what he said...
Xeno - the 'experienced' players did not exactly help much in Disc maf 1.
Ask Veg.

[Porro]

Well, no. Now I read it again it's something I inferred, from his call to eliminate randomness etc.

However, at this stage in the game random voting to force role claims is all that the townies without investigative roles have to go on, and can be particularly useful in a themed game.

Speculating and posting theories regarding exactly what characters to expect will only help give the mafia ideas for false role claims (unless we only try to establish evil roles).

We need to force claims, then assess the roles claimed, and decide whether they seem plausible.

I'm also against hinting at our roles, as that could reveal an important player to the mafia, as well as the town.

So I'm in disagreement with the gist of the post, and it gives me a bad feeling for Xeno, so my (randomish) vote stays!

[Amb]

Vote Xeno

[Xeno]

Leonidas- mafiascum's is not Discworld 1... DP's had a dragon among other killers.

also, Xeno= she, just so you know

What can I say? I am pretty sure that there is a plethora of information out there. I'm not claiming that cops should reveal themselves- that is, if there are straight cops in this game... It wouldn't benfit the town. Plus, if a cop had found something last night, i'd assume that they would have already voted for that person- probably under the guise of a random vote, hoping tht others might bandwagon and they wouldn't have to reveal themselves. (at least, that's what I would do)

anyway, why not try to eliminate randomness? It seems like in a game where there are a limited number of roles within the "witches" theme, we could spot a fraud. FOS: Porro for sugguesting that random bandwagons will benefit the town. From my experience, players just hop onto the bandwagon and quickly lynch an undeserving person or don't get off the bandwagon, and the person is still lynched. I think only once have I ever played where randomness resulted in bandwagon lynching a mafioso, and that is because there were too many of them in the town for it to be a balanced game.

Xeno

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Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.

[Porro]

[Xeno]

Well, one... but it isn't practical. that is- we all agree to reveal our character- not the role they perform or anything. since these are dynamic characters in the book, there could be a wide range of roles they could play (see the Vegetable2001 bandwagon in mafiascum discworld). then, as a town, we could pick people who's roles are doubtful- make them give an explanation of thier role. if it's believable, then good, if not... *pantomimes lynching*
The main problem with this is that i'm sure there are roles who's goal is to catch certain people. as demonstrated many times in theme games, usually your role is to make sure one person does not achieve something or kill them or something (i'm thinking about starwars mafia among others). that would easily least to the death of major characters who's survival is important (i doubt DP would make one role vital to the town's success).
I propose that we all reveal our roles:
Obviously this idea will not work if the town dosen't agree to it. So i ask that in your posts, you vote "FOR" or "AGAINST revealing our roles. if we reach a majority in favor of revealing roles, I also feel that there should be a penalty for those who do not comply.

I'll start this off by vote: FOR role revealing

Xeno

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Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.

[Porro]

Initial reaction to the suggesion...

Wouldn't that help the mafia identify the more powerful pro-town roles for easy overnight kills. Also, in the mafiascum discworld mafia you refer to, Veg got lynched by the town because they thought an alternative role description (for the same character) was more likely than the one the mod gave to Veg.

p.s. Where is everyone else?

[Dragon Phoenix]

quote:

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p.s. Where is everyone else?

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My thoughts exactly. Kazooish will return later today (he emailed be about that) but the others?

[Vegtable2001]

I have to be against that idea Xeno. For one thing it's almost a guarantee that we lose every one of our docs. Secondly as JohnWWells clearly demonstrated, with eneough posting you can convince people of anything.

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Flame Away

[Porro]

Just so you lurkers don't forget...

Originally posted by Our mod's first post:

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PLEASE don't lurk. Posting and voting are essential I will not hesitate to remove non-posters from the game.

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I propose you kill them DP, rather than replace them

[Xeno]

Ok, well two people have responded- that's a start. But Veg- don't you think that if two people claimed a role, then I believe we would have our cops investigate both suspects. If they have already done one, then all the better. And I really don't think that any one role would have an obvious specific role assigned to it (unless that person is evil- where it should be obvious).
Take Esme Weatherwax-
She could be a doc- she has obviously cured many ailments (and even played Onion with DEATH for a boy's life)
She could be a cop- she's a master of headology and perhaps could use that to discern someone's role
She could be a mason- there's the maiden, the mother and the other one(her)
She could be a vengeful townie- they say that she is more powerful that Black Alias- who knows what would happen if she died

Obviously, or maybe not so obviously, I am not granny. But as you can clearly see, each role could go a number of ways.
In the event that two people claim the same role- it would be best if we waited 24 hours before bandwagoning one of them, to give a cop time to reveal one of them as good- or bad. If no one comes forth, then we have them each explain their role and the town would then decide who is the most believable. Should we be wrong- we will have definitely bagged a baddy for the next day's lynch.
Does that work? The only people who would object (as far as i can tell, would be mafia and masons. But, since we would not be revealing what our role does, just who we are, then the only group which would have something to hide would be the mafia. (Unless the mason group is obvious- if there even is one)

Xeno


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Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.

[Vegtable2001]

Xeno, look at discworld maf on mafiascum.net

[Xeno]

Don't worry- I have been following along a lot better than most of the other players... night is lasting too long again...

Xeno

[Corsato]

I really think we should not start revealing roles now, or start It's too early to tell something about the sanity of the cops.

[Polotet]

Oh, sorry I haven't posted yet. My current opinion is that we should not reveal roles, as a big target will then be painted on the backs of A. people who might be docs and B. people who might be really powerful. I just don't think it's a good idea. But I won't vote yet.

[Kazooish]

im here, just letting everyone know that iv returned from my trip.

o and vote: veg

if your in other newly starting mafia games youd understand....veg likes signing me up for games randomly....so i want to see him dead.

[wordcross]

i've noticed that Kazooish, in raf II also. My vote stays on him for now. No real reason though.

[rant]
Vote: No on the role revealing. As anyone who's been in chat mafia games i've played in knows how i despise the practice of role revealing. I think it's absolutely contrary to the spirit of the game of mafia. This game is supposed to be about using your wits to figure out who is suspicious and who is innocent, not telling them to role claim before we strangle their hesitant necks. It's like cheating in a class: you achieve the same grade but you don't actually learn a damn thing. Here, you achieve the same outcome (dead mafia) but what fun is it if you know who people are beforehand? [/rant]

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I don't suffer from Insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

[wordcross]

and when do we get voting updates anyway DP?

[Dragon Phoenix]

You mean you can't keep track of six votes cast so far?

Vote count update (8 to lynch):

Vegtable2001 2 (Wordcross, Kazooish)
Xeno 2 (Porro, amb)
Kazooish 1 (Vegtable2001)
Dan 1 (Quercitron)

[Kazooish]

o and i agree with wordcross

lets not reveal roles, thats no fun.