Werewolf: the Apocalypse Mafia [GAME OVER - Town wins]

[spyrl]

Current Vote Count:

[jadesmar]

Deadline? Ok,

Is there any reason to not vote Raearia off of the island? ... or, some suitable metaphor based on werewolves and such. Silver bullet?

Is there any reason to not silver bullet Raearia?

[MNOWAX]

if someone can prove she is a vig, and not SK/last mafia.
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[itisally]

LIML pointed a red arrow at me???? What do you guys mean? Do you mean when she said I was blocked night 1? I think she blew it her where she says I haven’t claimed my role in order to direct attention away from herself and then mentions my role.

[jadesmar]

[MNOWAX]

I have an end game for that, but it hinges on rae being innocent.
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

(Excuse the shortness studying for finals) I could tell you I am the Vig until I am blue in the face but it won't do me any good since there is no verifiable proof, and for most there is no verifiable proof just as there is none for me if one of our investigatorsI feel we have better people to look at, but here is how I see it:

We have left alive,

Jades-cop has investigated a good majority, possibly blocked if LiML was telling the truth.

Durryn-role unknown but gets tidbits of info.

Ally- Non-standard investigator who seems to have close ties to Durryn, re-read her posts, she has claimed to have good reason that Durryn had no ill intent the night Jedo was killed and her information mirrors Durryn's information regarding Perp.

Myself- Yes I acknowledged that I killed Jedo, but I did not kill Sentran. I have one blade left. ( I shot the sheriff song comes to mind here.. lol)

Mno- Doc claims to have been protecting Jades.

Perp- another non standard investigator who can feel the earth and who has or has not been there.

So to me either Ally and Durryn are masons of some sort or one of them is scum, one of our investigators is not who they claim to be, or there is alternate win conditions someone is going for.

After preview:

Ally you raise some really good points.. I need to get back to studying for a couple more hours, lots to ponder both here and academically for me!

Jades has some good questions as well.
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[itisally]

[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

[itisally]

Jades, I am not dismissing your idea, I just find it less likely. Sentran is a formitable opponant so I think that MNO protected him and Mafia targeted him. In facrt I cant remember the last time Sentran was town and the mafia didn't attack him first chance so MNO's protection was a safe bet. I just think it was more likely.

If LIML roleblocked you as well as doing the kill then you wouldn't have gotten a result, yet you claim a result. SO I think it is more likely that in order to attack she had to give up the role block. But it wouldn't make sence for her to say she didn't block anyone so she pick what could have been a safe bet, her scum buddy (Jadesmar). Unfortunately he later claims a result for the night.

Rae admits to the kill, Sentran says he was assisting a Durryn lending to Durryns townieness. Who does that leave?

IS it possible that Rae is scum and attacked Jedo both nights finally resulting in a kill? sure. But I don't think it is as likely and I have nothing eles on her.

Arrow yes, but if you were scum that would give you credibility to clear me with a target like Raearia in sight, and you would know it was safe to say you had an innocent investigation on me.

On your day one vote. In and of itself not a wagon, but you push hard for it to become one and then got very quiet. It may have been a nice piece of distancing. Alone it was nothing unusual in my mind. It is only now that it looks like a piece of the puzzle.

MNOWAX; you say you have a Godfather plan, but earlier

[jadesmar]

[Perpentach]

So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if Rae is SK, then town only wins when she dies, right?

MNO can you explain your plan for me again, because I'm having trouble following it.

[itisally]

If she is SK the town has to eliminate her to win, but she only wins if she eliminates everyone eles. A tough job. And I am not against lynching her, just to be clear. However, I too have a hard time seeing the fool proofness of MNOWAX's plan.

Jadesmar: on later claiming... you are correct I had my timeline out of wack. However I don't know why she would have lied about blocking you who had claimed a night action when I had not.

On you not voting Raearia, not sure but Durryn and MNO are the only ones voting, so do you think there may be scum there? I am pretty confident of thier innocence.

On your day one posting: Yes you had more posts (than anyone) but around 2/5 you went from posting several times a day to posting about 2 times a weekish. On the 27th you and sentranhad a conversation about your change in rate. It is this change that struck me not a general lack of posts.
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[jadesmar]

Can you come up with a theory that doesn't rely on the mafia and SK/Vig making the exact same choices on nights 1 and 2, because I think there's only like a 1% chance of that happening randomly? You claim to find my idea less likely than this 1%.

[jadesmar]

[MNOWAX]

Plan is killing rae now.

Tonight, Perp is watching me protect jadesmar.Jades looks Durryn, who (IIRC) hasn't been checked. It covers all three of us. if jades dies, Perp will see me do it, if Perp dies, there is four people left and if jades doesn't find Durryn guilty we lynch Itisally. gg.

If perp doesn't die tonight( Durryn, or Itisally is killed) , it will force four people left ( myself, perp, and jadesmar plus the other one) with the three man unit voting off the fourth for the win. Perp has been watching effectively the both of us this entire time, so if either one of us make a crazy move, he will see it.

If jades is lying, (unlikely, but he cleared Perp, which in a roundabout way cleared me) gg.
if Perp is lying ( so unlikely that I'm more likely to be scum than him with the way this game went down, I would have been dead way sooner) gg.
If I was lying ( from another person's perspective not likely either, due to Perp vouching for my night actions and a very alive cop) gg.

otherwise town wins.

We are screwed if there is a GF, because it likely means one of the three of us is lying about our roles, which will doom the town. However if the three of us are telling the truth, then even a GF can't stop us from winning this anyway.

The trust of the town will have to be put into the three of us to guarantee a win here. We can't let a second claimed killer ( no matter what she claims) to live in this town. It's way more likely that she is a SK with two mafia gone. 30% mafia in a game this size could have left us at lylo to easily and as early as day two, which means some serious balance problems, despite all the claimed roles out there.
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[jadesmar]

[itisally]

Jadesmar, I thougth it likely, but not a sure thing.

I am thinking about the possibilities. I appriciate your well thought out conversation today. This has to be my last post for a while, but I am giving serious consideration to what you have said.

I think I see MNO's plan more clearly, although I am not convinced that I should trust Jadesmar I will leave that till "tomorrow" unless I come up with something wonderful before the hammer.\

unvote, vote: Raearia a worthy sacrifice
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[jadesmar]

[MNOWAX]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

As day moves into evening, the Warder once again enters the clearing. "Good evening. I hope your discussions have been fruitful. Please, tell me who is to be sent home this evening?"
Jadesmar steps forward. "We have. Raearia is to be sent home tonight."
The Warder nods, then turns to Raearia. "Which Sept do you hail from so that we might return you?"
Raearia, remembering what happened to Zag and has prepared for this. Without hesitation she answers "I am from the Sept of the Western Eye."
"Very well. We shall see that you return there tonight. The rest of you may begin your night patrols." The Warder takes Raearia to the Rites Master, who performs the Rites to send her back to her sept.
Shortly after the moon bridge closes, a Lune appears before the Rites Master. "The 'creature' you have sent on the moon bridges is being lead elsewhere. We recognized her as being of the Wyrm. She is now heading to Erebus, realm of the silver river, where she will be purified before joining Gaia." The Lune returns to the Umbra.

Player: Raearia
Role Name: Skin Dancer
Role Power: Mask Taint, Godfather

Current Vote Count:

[Raearia]

Damn just as I finish my studying for the night! bahaha good game guys.
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[spyrl]

Shameless plug for my Discworld game (I really want to get at least 15 players, so if you are not already signed up, I'd love to have you join up)
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[Durryn]

Woot.

Okay I will claim now

Fianna, Fog of War (Redirector)

and I made it the whole game without admitting I was town
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Good job, town! Thanks for following up on a stellar Day 1. jadesmar, I'm not exactly sure what you picked up on Mom, but it really got the ball rolling for us. Excellent play by MNO since he (sort of) kept a level head for once. I'm not sure I would have done all that claiming on Day 2, but it worked well enough. The rest of you also played well with your night choices and following the sound logic of others. It's always a gamble to trust somebody, and it's great when you trust the right somebody.

One thing I will say for Raearia (and everybody): a vig should never shoot on an information-less Night 0. As soon as you said that, I was immediately suspicious of you. If I had still been alive, I would have wrestled with it being a major n00b mistake or a mafia slip.

For the mafia as a whole, there were a number of times where you tried to discredit the investigator who claimed early and unprompted, and that just looks scummy to me. I'm sure doing this differently wouldn't have saved you here, but it's something to keep in mind not to do in the future. Even if their plan tightens the noose around you, it's better to go along with it whole-heartedly and come up with a way to break it during Night. I'm thinking like what Sentran did in H&V Mafia. I guess one thing you could have done would be support that jades was telling the truth, but cast doubt on the results since there was both a Mafia Confuser and RB. I'm really not sure why the town never considered that either of these things might have had effects. I guess ally did a bit there at the end.

Finally, they shot me Night 0. I was given the choice to take over the town RB, but I declined. I enjoyed being a classic vanilla with that tiny bit of (useless) information. Again, good game.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Zag]

Congrats, town! Well done! (especially Jedo).

spyrl, are you ready to start the next one?

[spyrl]

Rolewise, it's ready to go, although I am hoping to get just a few more people to join. (So if you know anyone who is game to play, get them to come on over) I will be sending out playing confirmations this weekend and then roles next week
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Discworld Mafia is here!

[spyrl]

Oh, and here's the links to the Dead and Mafia forums:

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/xKgCrYtqTZGW2 (Mafia)

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/4xm3U2t9Rqe (Dead)
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[MNOWAX]

wow, I expected you to flip SK, the third mafia honestly.

The fact everyone was telling the truth with their roles meant it was way more balanced than i thought it was. If I had thought there were three mafia around, I wouldn't have pushed for a mass claim. the mass claim idea only worked because I was under an assumption (which was wrong) that we only had one mafia left and could afford a few mislynches.

jadesmar, I WAS playing crazy, it's just that i got the right amount of info, at the right time. You were protected since after the first day started. once i figured out how we as the town could win, it was GG scum.

Also tonight, i wasn't going to be protecting you jadesmar, i was planning on protecting Perp, and then asking of his report. jades was quite safe after i had told everyone the plan and that i was going to doc him It was just going to be a way to trip up Perp if he was lying, just in case of the GF possibility.

either way, GG town, thanks for listening to the plan and going along with it town, it gave us that W!

Thanks to GK and spyrl for modding!

MOD: Lastly, what was the bit of info that pushed Amb out the door, and had me replace him?
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[MNOWAX]

Never mind, I found it in the dead thread. Amb got sent the cop results when he was a doc. Yeah that would have thrown the balance off entirely, especially with amb being the doc.
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[jadesmar]

Thanks for the game everyone! Three mafia in three days, perfect game!

Sorry for picking on you LiML, but, in my defense, you were mafia.

[Raearia]

It was fun, just for the record regardless that I was scum, I am still a noob.

Jedo I l find your description of my posts smacking of desperation funny. I wasn't desperate, I knew the moment Zag was lynched that I was screwed because I was pretty sure they were going to go after LiML Haha. Which would leave me as an inexperienced player going against all these Vets. Though from a game perspective I can understand how my posts would read for someone looking for those types of clues.

This was a great learning experience for me to finally see the other side of mafia being scum, so I just played like I would have if I were town. It was all I could think of to give me a fighting chance. I just kinda went with the flow. Plus being sick for a lot of the game and going into finals made for a really distracted player of me.

Night 1 I went after Jedo while LiML blocked Ally
Night 2 I went after Jedo again and LiML blocked Jades
Night 3 I went after Sentran because really that mans brain is scary and it was gamble that he would not be one of the players being "protected".
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

I am thinking Durryn's ability may have messed with it but I am not sure
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

Ya that is a mistake I won't be making again! haha!
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[Sentran]

Spyrl, the links to the dead thread and Mafia thread are reversed.
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