Werewolf: the Apocalypse Mafia [GAME OVER - Town wins]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

PLAYERS
1: Sentran
2: Perpentach
3: jadesmar
4: Amb MNOWAX
5: Raearia
6: Lifeinmomland
7: Durryn
8: Zag
9: Jedo the Jedi
10: Itisally
11: NPC Spot

Left the Caern:
NPC Spot: Black Fury: Role Blocker
Zag: Fallen Shadow Lord: Mafia Confuser
Jedo the Jedi: Get of Fenris: Tough Townie
lifeinmomland: Fallen Red Talon: Mafia Role Blocker
Sentran: Child of Gaia Kinfolk: Helper
Raearia: Skin Dancer : Godfather

RULES
1: Be civil towards each other unless it's part of your role. Make sure others know you are acting out your role.
2: You can not quote from your role p.m.
3: There will be hard deadlines each day following day 1. 4 weeks for the 2nd day, then 3 weeks for each of the following days.
4: Deadlines can be extended with a majority vote. The extension will be an additional week.
5: Night will last for 3 day. Saturday and Sunday count as one 24 hour period.
6: Vote counts will be posted as close to the top of each page as I or spyrl can manage.
7: We will start on Night 1. Everyone can use their night abilities at that time. There are NPCs to be replacements for any Night 1 kill(s). NPCs can be targeted on Night 1.
8: Mod kills, if they happen, end the day.
9: Post votes and unvotes in bold. If they are not in bold, I will not count them as an actual vote. This is because I will probably won’t see it on my phone.
10: Lynches will occur when someone reaches a majority vote or when the deadline occurs. If the deadline is reached without a majority vote, then the player with the most votes (minimum of 2) will be the lynchee for the day. If two people have the same number of votes then the one who has had the votes longer will be the lynchee for the day.
11: Do not edit posts.
12: If you are dead, you may get one “Bah” post. You cannot post anything that may affect the outcome of the game in this post.
13: Moderator may amend rules as sees fit for clarification of rules.
14: Roles are assigned at random.
15: Posting at night in the public thread is not allowed.
16: Daytime will not commence until a morning post is made by a moderator.
17: “No Lynch” is a valid vote.
18: Votes/unvotes after majority is reached will not be count.
19. All discussion of the game must be in this forum, the designated restricted access discussion forums, or PMs to a moderator. Nothing outside of those.
20. If you feel that I have made a mistake or otherwise have questions, you may send me a PM or post a bolded message in thread like this: Mod: (message)
21. I may occasionally need to prod people. Please don't be offended if I prod you when you're active.
22. If you're going to be absent for a few days, please let me know via PM or the game thread.
23. Treat this game as a commitment and try to stay active out of fairness to the other players.
24. If you choose to target an NPC for night 1, include that in your PM to me for your night actions.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Somewhere deep in the woods of the Pacific Northwest, a battle has just come to an end. A battle fought with tooth and claw, blade and bullet, the magical and the mundane. The invading Wyrm minions have been fended off...but just, and only with the help of the defenders allies, even among the other changing breeds (or so the rumors say).
Those who have survived the attack at the Caern now have a much harder job, protect the Caern while they honor their fallen and chasing down the Wyrm scum who ran from battle. This is made more difficult as the remaining spirits have gotten wind that there are still Wyrm minions who are near, but can’t be pinpointed with their reduced numbers.
The Warder has asked asked those who have come to help protect the Caern to patrol the Bawn at night while the Sept honors its dead and reorganizes its defences. They will be given a place to stay during the day. They will also be asked to decide who to send back to their home Caern at the end of each day as defences are built back up.
We start at night 1. Those who are night killed will take the places of the NPC(s). All roles are randomly assigned to random players. Enjoy!

It is now time to send in your night actions.
No talking until the day begins - I will post the night results and the title will be changed.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

There's about 52 hours left to get night actions in to me. That will put it at about noon Sunday my time and I'll start the day when I have them organized and any responses sent out.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

Just a reminder, 23 hours left for night actions.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

Day is coming soon. Sorry for the delay, my messages are sitting in my outbox and not all of them are going out so for fairness I am giving some additional time.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

The group gathers together as dawns light fills the sky. Only 10 of the 11 are here. The Warder can be seen entering the clearing. "Good morning to you all. I'm sure that you've noticed one of your group is not present this day. Last night she had approached myself and the Rites Master asking if she may be aloud to take her fallen friends and have their rites performed at the Caern they called home. The Rites Master and I saw no harm in this so we agreed. She is now back at her Caern safely." With that he turns and walks back the way he came.

There was no deaths last night, but the NPC had served its purpose.
NPC Spot
Black Fury
Curse of Aeolus: Role Blocker

It is now Day 1.
10 alive, 6 to lynch
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[Amb]

Perpentach is second on the game list, and thus the second most guilty in the game. Vote Perpentach

[Jedo the Jedi]

Checking in.

Mod: The NPC Spot on the Player list is confusing. Is there another NPC, or should that one be crossed out?
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Zag]

Hmmm. I'm not sure that this worked out fairly.

I believe you are using the NPC as I used 'Fred' in an earlier game, a role which would be substituted in by the player who was killed night 1, so that the game has a night kill but no one is kicked out before we even get started playing. Right?

Then we managed to prevent the night kill (good job, whoever is responsible!) but we don't get the benefit of having another townie alive. That doesn't seem fair. It's exactly the same ratio as if the scum had managed to kill someone. I think that we should get some benefit from the successful protect/block/whatever.

Meanwhile, vote Jedo, on policy.

[Durryn]

Vote: Zag

Zag is always scum
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

Jedo: I will take care of it when I get to a computer.
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[spyrl]

Jedo, I fixed the NPC slot on the list.
Zag, you are correct. The NPC slot was there so that everyone would be able to play after the first night. I can't comment on anything else until after the game is over.
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[Sentran]

When I saw the words "NPC slot" I immediately assumed that the mafia targeted a player, whose role was killed. The player, however, was replaced by the NPC, and the targeted player received the NPC's role. That means that the targeted player has a chance of receiving one of the mafia roles rather than a town role, as all 13 roles were randomly determined.

Yes, I expect that people will quickly be up in arms because my conjecture sounds like inside information. It's just a random theory, and on that will prove or disprove itself in time. Beyond that, I have no day 1 reads yet.
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[itisally]

I think the goal is that giving the scum a chance to talk dosen't effect the number of players. I assume the NPC slot woule have been town regardless. And who ever blocked does have more information so it isn't like we get nothing from our luck.

No vote, I hate RVS. Maybe latter when something actually strikes me.
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[Amb]

[jadesmar]

[Lifeinmomland]

Hmmm. Day one. No real information but we have to watch to see what strikes us as off. How will scum show their colors?

I won't throw some random vote. I am curious about the NPC dynamic though. Maybe it was just that the caffeine has not set in but I am not sure I understand Zag's point.
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[jadesmar]

[Sentran]

[jadesmar]

[Sentran]

[Amb]

I'd be tempted to vote Jadesmar to get a wagon going, but for the fact that Jadesmar is regularly the D1 target for no reason.

[jadesmar]

Do we know how this NPC thing works?

Is it that someone got targeted and died, and that person was the role-blocker and now that person is not the role blocker, but whichever role was being reserved by the NPC?

That makes sense to me. Does anyone have an alternate theory?

I have theories about that too.

Like this one:
-- If it works this way, to me, that points to only one killing faction (no serial killers/vig) or else, we would maybe have needed more NPCs.

[Raearia]

The Npc thing is rather interesting. I am also curious how this works.

I am leaning towards agreeing with Jades. Or that people with powers decided not to use them and therefore the NPC was no longer needed?? I have no idea, just throwing out random ideas, never played with an NPC slot.

The question for me: to RVS or no vote until something more substantial presents itself. I see the merits in both actions but I am not sure which is the more appropriate action to take at the moment. Last game I played around with the RVS sillyness but after it was all said and done it gave me headache haha.

[Perpentach]

I think that before we start throwing theories around and meta-gaming we should just see if Garou can explain the NPC's role.

[Raearia]

Perp I don't think anyone here is meta gaming, and throwing out theories doesn't harm nor help anyone at this stage. They are after all just speculations of many possibilities.

We all read the rules and saw rule 7: We will start on Night 1. Everyone can use their night abilities at that time. There are NPCs to be replacements for any Night 1 kill(s). NPCs can be targeted on Night 1.

Spyrl is the co-mod to this game and already posted earlier that Zag was correct but would not explain further. So based off of her post, to me at least, it is doubtful we will have anything else from the mods regarding the NPC.
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10289 is the end!

[Garou_Kinfolk]

As of now, MNOWAX will replace Amb.
An explanation will be posted post-game.
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[MNOWAX]

Damn! I was going to come in and Vote Amb, so...

Vote: MNOWAX

Okay, I'll have to go for the Second policy lynch.

Unvote, Vote: Jedo the Jedi
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MNOWAX

[itisally]

Hey MNOWAX!! Good to see you. Don't do anything crazy (hahaha) Unless your scum and it helps me catch you, then go ahead. hehehe.

But seriously, I will miss Amb, but glad you could fill in.
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[MNOWAX]

Hello! Ally! I'll never be done doing crazy stuff, but after my streak of being scum, I have to be town, right? RIGHT?


Unvote, Vote itisally
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MNOWAX

[Jedo the Jedi]

Not much discussion since yesterday, I see.

The way I see it, either the killing faction(s) decided not to do anything--resulting in no information and a discarding of the NPC--or they killed somebody and have the knowledge that it failed for some reason. To my mind, thanks to Night being first, there is more opportunity for scum to reveal themselves through extra knowledge.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[itisally]

While I agree that night gives them more information it isn't much. They know if they attacked or not and if they were blocked or not. We all know that what was lost, through kill or not, the NPC leaving was a roleblocker. I assume it wasn't a killing faction because Garou said that she left not that she died. Or the Warder is lying (that seems unlikely from the GM).

What night does do is give the Scum the advantage of a plan. They know what each other’s roles are and who will buddy up with whom or who they may try to buss.

The NPC having a power role may just mean that everyone has a power role and a replacement would need to have one to be consistent. That would be appropriate with the current theme. I can't imagine a WOD: Werewolf game without everyone having something.
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[Durryn]

Everyone is being so cautious in saying anything. Come on folks give me something to misread or misunderstand so we can start defending ourselves.
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[Raearia]

I am wondering if it is actual caution that is holding people back from posting or people waiting to see if there is more information forthcoming about the NPC from the Mod.
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10289 is the end!

[Garou_Kinfolk]

If there is a question for the mod/co-mod, please remember rule 20. Otherwise I will consider it game theory or part of how someone plays. Thanks.
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[jadesmar]

I'm not moving my vote for now.

I expect I have found the biggest scum tell I'm going to see today. Whether or not Sentran believes in it.

[Durryn]

[Perpentach]

[jadesmar]

[Perpentach]

An appeal to authority is a valid logical point that relies on an expert to support a point. There is a fallacious appeal to authority, which is when you ask someone who isn't an expert, or ask about a point upon which there is no consensus.

Either way what I said wasn't an appeal to authority because I'm not saying, "Sentran thinks you are suspicious, therefore I do as well." What I am saying is that LiML said something, which you then jumped on. Sentran and I both find that suspicious. You then claim that you think this is probably the biggest scum tell of the day.

Again, I didn't say Sentran must be right. I'm saying Sentran and I have independently decided that you are suspicious.