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Garou_Kinfolk
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:27 pm Post subject: 721 |
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There's only 2 that I can see that were missed.
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It's been so long since I've used the dice tags.
I'll volunteer to go next. Harry Callahan, vanilla townie. |
And D.P. claimed kinda early Day 3 after being asked for more info on his role. I can't remember what it was right off hand. I'll go back and look for it in a moment.
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:31 pm Post subject: 722 |
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D.P.s name claim is on page 14. Ben Shockly. Sorry if I spelled it wrong.
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:42 pm Post subject: 723 |
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Ah thanks!
So lets give this another go!
Sentran- Frank Corvin-Space Cowboys
Garou_Kinfolk- Walt Coogan- Coogan’s Bluff
Jadesmar- Nick Pulovski- The Rookie
Raearia- Hogan -Two Mules for Sister Sara
Raekuul- Harry Callahan- Dirty Harry Film series.
3iff-
Dragon Phoenix- Ben Shockley- The Gauntlet
So that leaves 3iff as the only unclaimed guy here.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:53 am Post subject: 724 |
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Ok, what I'm thinking right now is that in a Clint Eastwood mafia game, if there was a vigilante, it would probably be Dirty Harry. The person that claimed Harry is a Vanilla Townie, and that seems weird.
I don't want to second guess the mod though.
Question for other townies.. who is it more reasonable to assume is a vigilante, Dirty Harry or Walt Coogan? |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:41 am Post subject: 725 |
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I would lean more towards Dirty Harry only because his whole character is about going above the law and bringing justice about on his terms. He is judge, jury and executioner.
With Walt Coogan, he skirts the line a bit but doesn't make it his mission to be the "justice" that the law can not give.
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Dragon Phoenix
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:03 am Post subject: 726 |
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Are you all nuts? Oh yes, let's do the mafia's job for them, mass-claim and then on top of that speculate who the vig is, so he can be killed tonight. Leo's claim should have made it clear that scum most likely have safe claims as part of their roles (fairly standard procedure in themed games).
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: 727 |
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I both agree and disagree with D.P.
I agree that speculating on or fishing for what other peoples roles are from their names makes it easier for the mafia to choose who to kill tonight. No, I wasn't against the mass claim. I do find it scummy that someone would start a conversation about who has what power openly to engage others in find out who has powers and what they are. If I wasn't already voting Jadesmar, this would be enough for me to do so.
I disagree that, in a secret theme game, the mod would give more then one fake claim. If each of them had a fake claim, then the mafia would have, at this point, 8 names to choose from to find out the theme. That would mean the town would have little to no chance to guess the theme and win the immunity.
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Raearia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: 728 |
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Really for me a vigilante could just as easily be a SK. So no I don't find it nuts, what I do find nuts is how likely would it be for someone to claim a character like Dirty Harry AND be vanilla townie. This is what speculating on powers for me is, looking at who claimed what and seeing what they could possibly be in case they were lying about what they claimed.
quick question, in general it is my understanding that a Vig picks their target without knowing their guilt or innocence, does that hold true here on GL normally? If they don't know then they are still just as big of a danger to town as a SK . If they do know they I can see why DP is so upset.
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:36 am Post subject: 729 |
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From what I understand a vig does not know if the person they target is guilty or innocent until day starts. The difference between a vig and an sk is that an sk is looking out for #1 and they win alone. A vig wins with the town and therefore tries to target those who they feel are scum.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:37 am Post subject: 730 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| From what I understand a vig does not know if the person they target is guilty or innocent until day starts. The difference between a vig and an sk is that an sk is looking out for #1 and they win alone. A vig wins with the town and therefore tries to target those who they feel are scum. |
My only concern is, which are you? |
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Dragon Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: 731 |
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| Raearia wrote: |
Really for me a vigilante could just as easily be a SK. So no I don't find it nuts, what I do find nuts is how likely would it be for someone to claim a character like Dirty Harry AND be vanilla townie. This is what speculating on powers for me is, looking at who claimed what and seeing what they could possibly be in case they were lying about what they claimed.
quick question, in general it is my understanding that a Vig picks their target without knowing their guilt or innocence, does that hold true here on GL normally? If they don't know then they are still just as big of a danger to town as a SK . If they do know they I can see why DP is so upset. |
A vig does not have to kill at night, but will do so if he/she thinks there is a good chance that the selected victim is scum. If you think a vig is as bad for the town as a SK, you really need to brush up on your mafia theory. A vig is a strong plus for the town (unless the role ends up with a derp who has no clue about the game) - of course mistakes can be made (like night 1) but the same holds for lynches.
The chance that the additional kills are by a vig rather than a SK is close to 100% in view of the selected targets and more importantly, because we did not have a kill night two.
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Dragon Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:44 am Post subject: 732 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
I both agree and disagree with D.P.
I agree that speculating on or fishing for what other peoples roles are from their names makes it easier for the mafia to choose who to kill tonight. No, I wasn't against the mass claim. I do find it scummy that someone would start a conversation about who has what power openly to engage others in find out who has powers and what they are. If I wasn't already voting Jadesmar, this would be enough for me to do so.
I disagree that, in a secret theme game, the mod would give more then one fake claim. If each of them had a fake claim, then the mafia would have, at this point, 8 names to choose from to find out the theme. That would mean the town would have little to no chance to guess the theme and win the immunity. |
The latter is a good point, and I had not considered that. On the other hand, mods are not infallible, and it is a fact that it was a scumbag who claimed the theme and immunity.
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Raearia
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: 733 |
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A vig does not have to kill at night, but will do so if he/she thinks there is a good chance that the selected victim is scum. If you think a vig is as bad for the town as a SK, you really need to brush up on your mafia theory. A vig is a strong plus for the town (unless the role ends up with a derp who has no clue about the game) - of course mistakes can be made (like night 1) but the same holds for lynches.
The chance that the additional kills are by a vig rather than a SK is close to 100% in view of the selected targets and more importantly, because we did not have a kill night two. |
Ok so a vig can opt to kill at any time yet I am still having trouble seeing how having an ability to kill at will without knowing if a person is town or not is an advantage to the town. Regardless of my opinion on the matter of how useful a vig is we still have a bunch of information in front of us and we need to really look into it and get to getting a win for the town.
I am curious why 3iff has yet to chime in.
and I thought I had more to say until I looked at the time, haha off to bed with me!
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raekuul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:22 pm Post subject: 734 |
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Because 9 times out of 10, the vig is targeting someone that either they think is scummy or that the town thinks is scummy but didn't lynch the previous day.
This conversation brings to mind a bit of game theory that I was thinking about the other day. Would it benefit a SK to play like a Vig since they need to kill the mafia as well as the town? |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: 735 |
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| raekuul wrote: |
Because 9 times out of 10, the vig is targeting someone that either they think is scummy or that the town thinks is scummy but didn't lynch the previous day.
This conversation brings to mind a bit of game theory that I was thinking about the other day. Would it benefit a SK to play like a Vig since they need to kill the mafia as well as the town? |
I think we'd be clued into the fact that he/she wasn't a Vig when killing all the mafia failed to end the game. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: 736 |
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| Raearia wrote: |
I am curious why 3iff has yet to chime in. |
I think 3iff has limited access during the winter. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:04 pm Post subject: 737 |
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With Christmas fast approaching, I'd better warn you of my lack of internet access.
After Friday 21st December, I will be offline until Wednesday 2nd January, then I only have Wed-Fri access for the whole of January...similar to last year. |
From the limited access thread. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:45 pm Post subject: 738 |
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AH thanks still have to look around the site more in my spare time. 
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3iff
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: 739 |
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Here I am...thanks jadesmar for noticing my absence notice!
I am Joe Kidd...town, from the film "Joe Kidd".
I'll now read the last few days posts again and say something soon. |
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3iff
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:45 am Post subject: 740 |
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I've been looking at the character names and films of the players.
I'm assuming there is some thought and purpose to why roles and character names are linked.
Known Mafia
David Garver - Play Misty for Me
John McBurney - The Beguiled
Wes Block - Tightrope
The top two films are more like romances than the tough-guy style of films he's normally associated with. Tightrope I'm not familiar with and so I'm not sure if it fits my thoughts.
Known Town
Keith Williams - Ambush at Cimarron Pass (Tracker)
Pvt Kelly - Kellys Heroes (Doctor)
Tommy Nowak - Pink Cadillac (vanilla)
Lt Schaffer - Where Eagles dare (Cop)
Mitchell Gant - Firefox (vanilla)
I'm not familiar with Pink Cadillac but the others are representative of Clint's tough-guy image. Ambush at Cimarron Pass is a bit obscure but perhaps it fits the "Tracker" role.
Of the remaining players, all have now claimed at least a character name. (claimed role in brackets)
Sentran- Frank Corvin-Space Cowboys
Garou_Kinfolk- Walt Coogan- Coogan’s Bluff
Jadesmar- Nick Pulovski- The Rookie
Raearia- Hogan -Two Mules for Sister Sara (vanilla)
Raekuul- Harry Callahan- Dirty Harry Film series. (vanilla)
3iff- Joe Kidd- Joe Kidd
Dragon Phoenix- Ben Shockley- The Gauntlet (one shot investigate)
Now, the one that sticks out like a sore thumb is...
But first, what do YOU think? |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:16 am Post subject: 741 |
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Now, the one that sticks out like a sore thumb is...
But first, what do YOU think? |
It seems that people are content waiting for the deadline in a couple days which is silly, when we could be lynching Garou_Kinfolk. |
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3iff
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:24 am Post subject: 742 |
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Surprised that no-one has anything to say.
Sorry jadesmar, but I don't really see Garou as a good lynch (unless he's successfully pulled a Jedo mind-trick on me).
As for my "sore thumb" candidate, I've reread the film details for each character and I'm not as sure as I first thought. |
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Dragon Phoenix
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:35 am Post subject: 743 |
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I'm disappointed that apparently no-one has followed up my suggestion to do the iso on 3iff. I really would like to see whether others get the same feeling. Having been dead wrong about Zag and esme, I am not keen on an attack form me only.
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3iff
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:27 am Post subject: 744 |
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DP: It seems that few players are intent on doing anything.
Care to share your doubts on me now? I'm just interested why you think I might be suspect. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:43 pm Post subject: 745 |
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It looks like I'm going to be lynched tomorrow unless the deadline is lifted or someone unvotes so here's what I know.
I am a roleblocker.
On night 2 I blocked Garou_Kinfolk and one person died.
One night 3 I blocked Sentran and two people died.
I wasn't here night 1 and since the mod didn't send me any info, I am guessing that the person that I replaced did not use his night choice. |
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Sentran
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:23 pm Post subject: 746 |
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I haven't said anything recently because I've had nothing to say. I read the thread, but responding with low content just makes people target me unnecessarily. I apparently do not see the same thing as DP in 3iff's ISO, and I'm not noticing a sore thumb in the claims either. While it's true that more than a few of the roles are in the movie name as well, it doesn't appear to be indicative of scum or town and is not 100%.
Jadesmar's claim changes my tune a bit...
Um, I hope that's a mistake on the dead list!
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MNOWAX David Garver Mafia Roleblocker lynched day 1
Leonidas - John McBurney Mafia Roleblocker lynched day 3 |
According to post 646...
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| Leonidas John McBurney Mafia Framer Lynched Day 3 |
I'll just assume that was a typo by the mod on post 2.
Back to Jades' claim. It stands to reason that we have two roleblockers in a game this size, one on each side. I suppose given that bit of info I will Unvote, Vote: Garou_Kinfolk.
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Dragon Phoenix
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:43 pm Post subject: 747 |
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Night 2 saw a cop get killed, most likely by the mafia - the other kill that did not go through could be:
- not sent in (in which case the role block mattered zilch)
- blocked (in which case IF jadesmar's claim is true, Garou was blocked)
In the second case, the blocked killer could be
- a vig
- a SK
Only in case we believe that jadesmar is telling the truth AND that we have a SK rather than a vig, should we lynch Garou.
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Dragon Phoenix
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: 748 |
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OK, going back, jadesmar's claim is consistent with his play earlier today, so I tend to trust him. For the moment.
Which leaves the question Garou vig or SK (assuming that a kill was sent in)?
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Raearia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: 749 |
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Sorry I have not responded much my term just started this week. I don't think 3iff is scum. I have been on the fence about Garou the entire game and seeing as how our deadline is tomorrow I am willing to vote Garou. I think if Garou was a power role I would say he was a Vig because of how much he went after Jedo. Off to get ready for class!
Vote: Garou
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: 750 |
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Please hold off voting for me until I can get to a computer. Sorry I had not posted the past couple of days. There was an inspection at work that I had to help get ready for. Thanks.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: 751 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Please hold off voting for me until I can get to a computer. Sorry I had not posted the past couple of days. There was an inspection at work that I had to help get ready for. Thanks. |
I hope you aren't expecting me to unvote, given the amount of crap you gave me for unvoting at such a request yesterday. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: 752 |
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First off,
unvote because I believe Jadesmars claim for now, unless someone counter claims.
As one way or another I won't make it to tomorrow, now is as good as any to claim. Congratulations Jadesmar. You've outed what are probably the last two town power roles now.
I am a 3 shot vigilante. You're all welcome for Jedo. Sorry Zag. I thought you were scum based on your stance of MNO. Jadesmar, I don't know if you really blocked me night two or not. I chose not to kill as I was not certain of who was the scummiest person that day, since my number one (Jedo) had immunity.
Also Jadesmar, I didn't expect you to unvote yesterday, as I had posted earlier. I don't expect anyone to unvote at my request today either.
Raearia, here's a link for you to read. It's about mafia rolls. I'd start with the vig and s.k. rolls.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles
If you believe I'm the vig, then voting me is not in the town's interests, only the mafias.
vote deadline extension.
In any case, I'm probably going to be dead by dawn, then Jadesmar since he also has a power roll. If I do make it to night, I don't know who I'll use my last shot on yet.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: 753 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Congratulations Jadesmar. You've outed what are probably the last two town power roles now. |
Are you absolving yourself of all blame in the matter?
I wouldn't have had to do that if you and Sentran hadn't been voting for me all day with no sign of letting up, or listening to anything I had to say on the subject.
Could you really not pick up on the fact that
a. I tried to postulate whether Dirty Harry or you would make most sense as a vigilante and also..
b. I flat out asked you if you were a vig or SK?
You really didn't have to out me if you were on the town's side.
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I am a 3 shot vigilante. You're all welcome for Jedo. Sorry Zag. I thought you were scum based on your stance of MNO. Jadesmar, I don't know if you really blocked me night two or not. I chose not to kill as I was not certain of who was the scummiest person that day, since my number one (Jedo) had immunity. |
The thing that bothers me most is a 3-shot vigilante, on the town's side, using a kill on the first night. Was it not clear to you that more information would be gained during subsequent day periods, allowing you to be able to better place your kill?
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Also Jadesmar, I didn't expect you to unvote yesterday, as I had posted earlier. I don't expect anyone to unvote at my request today either. |
Fair enough. I consider it polite to oblige such a request when I can.
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
vote deadline extension.
In any case, I'm probably going to be dead by dawn, then Jadesmar since he also has a power roll. If I do make it to night, I don't know who I'll use my last shot on yet. |
I might not even block you tonight.
I won't unvote you now either. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:30 am Post subject: 754 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Congratulations Jadesmar. You've outed what are probably the last two town power roles now. |
Are you absolving yourself of all blame in the matter?
I wouldn't have had to do that if you and Sentran hadn't been voting for me all day with no sign of letting up, or listening to anything I had to say on the subject.
Could you really not pick up on the fact that
a. I tried to postulate whether Dirty Harry or you would make most sense as a vigilante and also..
b. I flat out asked you if you were a vig or SK?
You really didn't have to out me if you were on the town's side. |
I'm not absolving myself of anything. Anyone can claim whenever they feel like it. You apparently felt you needed to get people off your wagon and onto me, so you waited until the day before the deadline and came forward with what you had. You only ever addressed one of the many things I brought up against you and chose not to comment on any of the others. If you had addressed some of the others I might have dropped my vote from you sooner. When I read the two posts you're referencing,
a. my first thought was "Why just those two unless he's trying to set me up for a night kill?" and
b. I saw you trying to set me up for either a lynch by the town by implying that I was an S.K. or that I am the vig and get night killed, which will probably still happen.
I never outed you. I never posted anything along any line of thought of "Jadesmar has a power roll. I want him to claim." I didn't even know you had a power until you claimed. I also have no way of making you claim.
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
I am a 3 shot vigilante. You're all welcome for Jedo. Sorry Zag. I thought you were scum based on your stance of MNO. Jadesmar, I don't know if you really blocked me night two or not. I chose not to kill as I was not certain of who was the scummiest person that day, since my number one (Jedo) had immunity. |
The thing that bothers me most is a 3-shot vigilante, on the town's side, using a kill on the first night. Was it not clear to you that more information would be gained during subsequent day periods, allowing you to be able to better place your kill? |
What I mistakenly saw in Zags posts was a scum who was trying to use subtlety to derail the MNO lynch. It took me rereading the day during the night for me to see it again, but anyone who goes back to look at Zags posts can see it. My gut was also saying that he was scum. This is part of why there was no second kill night 2. My gut wasn't saying much against anyone and with Jedo having immunity, I didn't feel confident with any other possible target. My original plan was to save my second and third shot for later in the game so they wouldn't be wasted if I was killed or lynched.
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Also Jadesmar, I didn't expect you to unvote yesterday, as I had posted earlier. I don't expect anyone to unvote at my request today either. |
Fair enough. I consider it polite to oblige such a request when I can.
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
vote deadline extension.
In any case, I'm probably going to be dead by dawn, then Jadesmar since he also has a power roll. If I do make it to night, I don't know who I'll use my last shot on yet. |
I might not even block you tonight.
I won't unvote you now either. |
I'm not going to hold my breath for either option. I'm going to be dead by tomorrow. I have no delusions about that.
At this point my scum list consists of 3iff and Raearia. In Jedos post 307, he doesn't mention either of them in his notable activities portion of it, and with both of them I can see some scumminess and ties to Jedo. 3iff has his connection to Jedo as well as questioning those who were going after Jedo and he doesn't seem to be read posts of others on some things (such as with explaining his D.P.s power twice before 3iff asked about it.) With Raearia, she was going along with Jedo pretty much all day and then calls him a scumbag as if she had been suspicious of him for a while.
I'm going to get ready for work tomorrow. Don't expect more before tomorrow.
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Sentran
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: 755 |
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Well, this is a fine kettle of fish. Unvote
I hope to see a votecount soon, and I'll go over the thread again in the meantime.
Vote: deadline extension
The main weapon we have is information, and the more time we have to get it, the better.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:24 am Post subject: 756 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Congratulations Jadesmar. You've outed what are probably the last two town power roles now. |
Are you absolving yourself of all blame in the matter?
I wouldn't have had to do that if you and Sentran hadn't been voting for me all day with no sign of letting up, or listening to anything I had to say on the subject.
Could you really not pick up on the fact that
a. I tried to postulate whether Dirty Harry or you would make most sense as a vigilante and also..
b. I flat out asked you if you were a vig or SK?
You really didn't have to out me if you were on the town's side. |
I'm not absolving myself of anything. Anyone can claim whenever they feel like it. You apparently felt you needed to get people off your wagon and onto me, so you waited until the day before the deadline and came forward with what you had. |
That's weak. I felt the need to not get lynched without sharing the information I had with the rest of the town.
I didn't just wait, I dropped stronger and stronger hints to you that I knew that you were killing people at night. I refuse to believe that someone who could pick out Jedo with using subtle word play which I still don't understand could fail to see, after my hints, that I knew you were killing people at night. So, you failed to understand how that suggests a power role, or you chose to lynch someone with a power role.
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You only ever addressed one of the many things I brought up against you and chose not to comment on any of the others. If you had addressed some of the others I might have dropped my vote from you sooner. When I read the two posts you're referencing,
a. my first thought was "Why just those two unless he's trying to set me up for a night kill?" and
b. I saw you trying to set me up for either a lynch by the town by implying that I was an S.K. or that I am the vig and get night killed, which will probably still happen.
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You say implying, i say heavily hinting. How did you fail to pick up on the fact that you are the S.K. or a vig?
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| I never outed you. I never posted anything along any line of thought of "Jadesmar has a power roll. I want him to claim." I didn't even know you had a power until you claimed. I also have no way of making you claim. |
No, if you had your way, we all would have just waited for the deadline and my information would have died with me.
The fact that you didn't know I had a power even though I basically told you yours is either blindness or a lie. It's my belief that its a lie.
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I am a 3 shot vigilante. You're all welcome for Jedo. Sorry Zag. I thought you were scum based on your stance of MNO. Jadesmar, I don't know if you really blocked me night two or not. I chose not to kill as I was not certain of who was the scummiest person that day, since my number one (Jedo) had immunity. |
The thing that bothers me most is a 3-shot vigilante, on the town's side, using a kill on the first night. Was it not clear to you that more information would be gained during subsequent day periods, allowing you to be able to better place your kill? |
What I mistakenly saw in Zags posts was a scum who was trying to use subtlety to derail the MNO lynch. It took me rereading the day during the night for me to see it again, but anyone who goes back to look at Zags posts can see it. My gut was also saying that he was scum. This is part of why there was no second kill night 2. My gut wasn't saying much against anyone and with Jedo having immunity, I didn't feel confident with any other possible target. My original plan was to save my second and third shot for later in the game so they wouldn't be wasted if I was killed or lynched.
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
Also Jadesmar, I didn't expect you to unvote yesterday, as I had posted earlier. I don't expect anyone to unvote at my request today either. |
Fair enough. I consider it polite to oblige such a request when I can.
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
vote deadline extension.
In any case, I'm probably going to be dead by dawn, then Jadesmar since he also has a power roll. If I do make it to night, I don't know who I'll use my last shot on yet. |
I might not even block you tonight.
I won't unvote you now either. |
I'm not going to hold my breath for either option. I'm going to be dead by tomorrow. I have no delusions about that.
At this point my scum list consists of 3iff and Raearia. In Jedos post 307, he doesn't mention either of them in his notable activities portion of it, and with both of them I can see some scumminess and ties to Jedo. 3iff has his connection to Jedo as well as questioning those who were going after Jedo and he doesn't seem to be read posts of others on some things (such as with explaining his D.P.s power twice before 3iff asked about it.) With Raearia, she was going along with Jedo pretty much all day and then calls him a scumbag as if she had been suspicious of him for a while.
I'm going to get ready for work tomorrow. Don't expect more before tomorrow. |
I agree with Raearia being scum and will likely block her tonight. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:32 am Post subject: 757 |
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I get that you guys think I am scum but I am asking you to not waste your powers on me. I have no powers. I am seriously a simple vanilla townie. It would be a waste, I would rather you all just vote to lynch me then waste your abilities on something that wont yield you any results other then a dead useless townie.
At least in lynching me you would get another confirmed town, and not be wasting your roles on me.
I don't know any other way in expressing to you that I am not worth using your abilities on other then saying "hey just lynch me instead"
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Dragon Phoenix
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3iff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: 759 |
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vote: deadline extension
With the new information from Garou and the total confusion of everyone concerned, we do need more time to think about this.
I was hoping that character roles might have some (obvious) indication as to which alignment they might belong to, but the harder I look, the less likely it appears.I'm led to the conclusion that we are all just Clint Eastwood characters and any of us can be baddies. I'm also assuming that the final rolename claims are all true but even if they're not I don't see that it can help us. |
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3iff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:17 am Post subject: 760 |
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claims
Garou: A 3-shot vigilante.
jadesmar: Roleblocker
jadesmar blocked Garou on night 2 and Garou (as vig) did nothing so there was no extra kill.
jadesmar blocked Sentran night 3 but there were 2 kills so Sentran is not a killer (at least not that night!)
Garou claims killing Jedo...someone killed him and it wasn't the mafia!
Alternatively, jadesmar is NOT a roleblocker but his two targets did nothing to block anyway.
So, if Garou is a vig then also having an SK in the game is unlikely as we haven't seen 3 kills in a night. That would mean we are facing one (or two?) mafia. Four mafia in 15 players would seem reasonable, 5 in 15 is too high.
Garou HAS claimed a killing power so he could be a 3-shot vig but he could also be an SK. |
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