What is the Grey Labyrinth About? - from Serious Discussions

[MatthewV]

You already had the choice to read my post or not. And then to respond.
This takes your time.


See, Science is about trust because your time is valuable. So is my time.
If I make some baseless statement and say Science Experts agree, you could 0A)Believe and move on 0B) disbelieve and not say anything 1A)stall me by asking for sources 2) look up sources yourself 2A) agree 2B) disagree 2B1) disagree and report back.
[note the pattern-- more numbers and letters = more time spent.]

Now, because I am interested in the original subject-- I will return to it when the time is right.

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[MatthewV]

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[jesternl]

let's be clear to about the difference between lactose intolerance (related to the amount of lactase your body produces and the inability of your body to digest lactose), and milk allergy, when your body actively creates antibodies to various milk proteins (usually alpha S1-casein).
And diffent species have differnt proteins, which is why some animals' milk might be OK and other not.

[MatthewV]

jesternl: That would be the scientific approach to the study of milk and lactose. The author of the article did those things so that you don't have to. And he reached the conclusion-- you should give up milk for a little while.

Lets look at Zag's (and Jedo's exuberant confirmation) that Cheese is Delicious.
How many times in a day do you hear this phrase? Friends, television, the internet, advertisements... it is everywhere. Even on the GL.

The one place the idea that milk isn't good for you is the scientific community. Look around-- try to find a published paper that confirms the claims of this advertisement:

Their claim: milk is good for you and good for your bones.

Yoda is a powerful but completely fictitious character. Now selling milk with baseless evidence.

So when you go to www.sciencedirect.com (or scholar.google.com) and do a search for something like "milk bone density" I predict you will find nothing conclusive in either direction.

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[Thok]

[extropalopakettle]

This should clear a few things up: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/852445514/grilled-cheesus

[jadesmar]

[Thok]

[extropalopakettle]

I don't think milk contains any significant amount of vitamin D naturally - it's added.

(I take one or two of these a week: http://www.biotechpharmacal.com/catalog/d3-50-50000-iu-v-caps/ ... better than the prescription stuff, and cheaper)

[jadesmar]

[MatthewV]

[MatthewV]

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[MatthewV]

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[extropalopakettle]

Cheese is a good source of complete protein. I like cream in my coffee, cheese on my pizza.

[MatthewV]

[jadesmar]

[MatthewV]

[MatthewV]

And from my own experience.
When I stopped using milk products, I started eating more peanut butter and nuts. They are an excellent source of everything milk has without the problems that milk has.

[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

Anyhow,

Since milk is a source of calcium and vitamin D and both contribute to bone density, as shown by Thok... I'd say that Yoda is telling the truth

[Thok]

What I get from this thread, with respect to milk:

1. Milk is good for children.
2. Milk has benefits to older people (especially older women), but also has potentially significant side effects.
3. There are other sources for the nutrition you get from milk.
4. Whether you should continue to drink milk after childhood depends significantly on whether your genetic background will allow you to handle the lactose.
5. Milk, cheese, and yogurt are delicious. So are other foods.
6. Milk makes MatthewV cranky and Jadesmar happy.

[jadesmar]

The symptoms of lactose intolerance would sit in the digestive tract, e.g. diarrhoea, stomach ache, flatulance etc. I fail to see how a stuffy nose fits this category.

Maybe this is being confused with an allergy to cheese or milk or something. But, in that case, it would probably not be genetic, nor something that 75% of the worlds population would experience.

[MatthewV]

I love your summary Thok. Except maybe it is the lack of milk that makes me cranky

I would like to add #7: you cannot know what milk does or doesn't do for yourself unless you give it up entirely for a little while. About two weeks to a month (depending on the person )

[MatthewV]

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From http://paleodietlifestyle.com/fatty-meat-potatoes-dairy-and-paleo-2-0/

[extropalopakettle]

I know MatthewV doesn't want to reveal it yet, but does anyone else want to speculate on how this might eventually tie in to "Science as a religion"? I really haven't progressed beyond my first post in this topic:

[jadesmar]

[MatthewV]

It is about The Phantom Tollbooth.

Instead of just leaving this as a cryptic answer that extro won't like, I will explain.

I have never read the Phantom Tollbooth. It was read aloud to me when I was about 3. Or somewhere in that age range you remember only a few fragments and really remember from the pictures you looked at later or were told.
All I remember is that the protagonist goes on an impossible quest. He completes it only because he never knew it was impossible.

So in many ways this topic and Serious Discussions do not have any point.

But I wouldn't have liked the ending of the Phantom Tollbooth if the beginning and middle weren't also good. So the point isn't to say "Aha! You are wrong!" but to enjoy talking with people you have come to know and trust.

(jadesmar seems to understand)

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[MatthewV]

Are you trying to stay on-topic? All I see are posts questioning my non-existent motive.

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Extro, the link you provided is much better then the one I did. Here is the simple reason why-- "The goal is and has always been optimal health and well-being, not sticking to dogmas just for the sake of being righteous."

This post has given me something to think about-- how is a modified paleolithic diet related to religion/science/life?

[MatthewV]

Posts about dogma and new ideas that came entirely from the GL inspired me. In order for this area to be different from Off Topic, the rules needed to be different.

Any topic can resort to pettiness if it isn't allowed to be changed. You keep bringing back the topic too soon. So the topic must change when people feel you are off topic.

Now, people like myself can remember the original topic, and try to make progress instead of pettiness.

And if that happens, the GL will continue to grow in ways the rest of the internet hasn't. Which is good.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

I must not understand the genius at work here.
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[MatthewV]

Then come play my chess game over in visitor games.
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