SURVIVOR MAFIA- TOWN WINS reunion show

[Mackay]

That should say "a cap on the number of cult"

[Mackay]

Quoting for the new page:

[Amb]

Again, are you deliberately being dumb? You are mafia. Lynching me puts you in a great position. Since when is that an admission of anything? It's not. Stop trying to twist words to beat me up, when I haven't done anything but catch you.

[Elethiomel]

Interesting that I was hammered just as I was getting a feeling that the tide might possibly be about to turn.

I'll leave it to the rest of you to figure this out, though. I've done my part.

[Amb]

Lets pad that out:

1. The only way there is a cult, is if the recruiting continued. That doesnt make sense due to only 2 cultists dead so far, and it took us ages to even get the 2nd. Or if there were more than 1 at the outset.

Aniima will live
TGC will live
Elethiomel will live
Mackay will live.

Amb lynched. Night falls 4 alive.

Mackay kills. Assuming TGC cant redirect Mackay to herself, there will be a death - and day will launch with Aniimaa, Mackay and Elethiomel alive. Or TGC, Mackay, Elethiomel. Whichever. Mackay then launches her sights on Elethiomel. Who believes a 2nd cop claim, despite the game being far more balanced with than than not. If she can get either one on side, then she wins. And she'd have a decent chance, because Elethiomel and Aniimaa are both uncleared - and each would honestly look hard at both of the other living. But theres enough controversy around both the players to give her a very good chance of not being lynched. Especially as she will still be arguing for the long extinct cult. Who wants to push the idea cult is alive, despite the far more likely situation of it not being? Mackay! Why - because it sows the seeds of doubt she needs for the final day. And none of the other players are pushing the idea. They might react to her posts. But there is a very strong reason for Mackay to need chaos on the final day.

[Mackay]

Wait, what?

You realise Creper hammered Eleth on the last page, right? I have not attempted at any point today to have you lynched. I argued against your lynch. Your entire argument is based upon a lack of reading comprehension.

Your very panicky, convoluted theory is fine, I guess, except that you specifically mentioned Elethiomel in the original post. The... whatever it is you just spewed onto the page would apply equally to any player's potential lynch, and with any player being scum. Your earlier post, on the other hand, specifically argued that I was setting up Elethiomel for the next day. Why does YOUR death, specifically, help ME lynch ELETHIOMEL? You would only think that if you were a cultist - as I had been arguing that he is your cult buddy.

You slipped. You thought you could win the game yesterday if you and Zag survived, and you thought you could win it today if you and Elethiomel survived. You overplayed as a result of your impatience. Unfortunate for you, great for the town.

By the way, when I am directly quoting your words it is absolutely LAUGHABLE to accuse me of "twisting" them.

[Elethiomel]

While I doubt that they really want my advice on the matter, I agree that the mafia should kill Amb.

It's also possible there are two of them, though. In which case we're just waiting for UM to wrap this up.

[Amb]

[Mackay]

I wasn't saying you did it on purpose, Amb, and it's twisting what *I* said to read it that way. You've still failed to explain why you felt that your lynch specifically would have implicated Elethiomel.

Eleth - I guess you wouldn't bother pretending not to be cult at this point if you actually were one.

*sigh*

[Undercover Monk]

Elethiomel is lynched. Thanks for replacing E when I needed you too. Final Vote Count

[Undercover Monk]

Lynch Scene

The final five sat around the fire high up on tribal cliff. The shot paranoid glances at one another. They had outlasted 10 of the peers and were so close to the million dollar prize they could taste it. Plus Jeff had hinted that unlike the other poor saps if they made the final they wouldnt be pushed off the top of the cliff and might get to go home. But who could they trust. They all thought they knew who everyone was and who was trustwoorthy but it would take 3 votes to send a castaway packing who would it be. Probst read the votes. 3 Elethiomels were scrawles in big bold letters spelling doom to... Bob Crowley the highschool physics teacher famous for his fake idols.

"Wait Jeff I have an idol...isnt it pretty"

"Not gonna work this time BOB. Dont make me get the interns."

And with that Bob was pushed to his death. And then there were four. Who will be voted off killed next.?

Elethiomel: Bob Crowley Town Idol Maker
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[Undercover Monk]

Well I had a long kill scene typed up but it got lost to cyberspace. so I will just let you know that Captain Aniima was voted off flown to a volcanoe in the middle of the pacific ocean and thrown in. She was Sandra Diaz Twine and the town cop.

There are three of you left its day 7 and it takes two to lynch.
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[Amb]

Vote Mackay

The cult, by definition is extinct. A mafia redirector is possible, but very very unlikely in the face of all of TGC's play.

[Mackay]

Weird. I sent a deliberate no-protect so I wouldn't interfere with any potential Amb kill. So either TGC is mafia and I'm totally screwed or Amb is able to kill.

I just woke up. I can't think about this till after my coffee and if Creper is the mafioso there's no point anyway.

[Mackay]

Amb would you please unvote me before TGC gets here?

[Amb]

No.

[Amb]

If TGC comes in and votes me, then you will win, and so be it. This game one way or the other falls on him. If I have totally screwed everything up, and he is mafia - then he deserves the win just for the play of killing his own goon.

[Mackay]

I haven't tried to vote you all game. And there is no way in hell I would have killed Aniima as mafia, as it leaves me alive with you, a person who has been bent on my death for basically the entire game.

I have to assume that Creper is most likely to be mafia at this point, unless he is town with a backfiring ability and we're chasing shadows, in which case I should be voting you.

I have struggled with the 3iff kill and mistakenly led the Eleth lynch yesterday as a result, but I have had a thought.

The thing that has bothered me most about Creper's claim is that his original claim, the one he later claimed was false, fit his role so much better than the new claim. What if that was his real claim? If he was the type of vengeful townie who has a chance at attacking anyone who targets him at night, he could have killed 3iff on the very same night he was recruited by the flirt. He would then be able to take credit for the kill to assert his own innocence. This would explain the extreme variance and inconsistency to his play, as well as the 3iff NK.

It would also explain the anaemic showing by the mafia, if they actually could recruit but didn't do so hot. Who else even makes sense in a Russell/Parvati mafia? Sandra and Jerri are dead. I really doubt there's a Danielle hanging around. Who in the hell would be a godfather of that mafia? I came up innocent on night 6. Creper was cleared at the very beginning. If the mafia could recruit, I'm the last person you should be voting for.

[The Great Crep'er]

Good news, everyone! :farnsworth: The hotel I'm staying at for two days has wifi.

For last night's move, I directed Mackay to Aniima.




So unless Amb is cult, I'd say that's game, set, match. If he is, good on cult. But in light of this development AND the somehow cockamamie excuse of not saving this late in the game AND the no kill in face of my declaration to self-direct Mackay. Vote: Mackay

The tribe...has spoken.
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[The Great Crep'er]

I mean the only thing Amb can be is some miraculous cult or the mason he claims to be. Because of Garou's corpse, I'm believing the latter. And I know I'm not mafia, I'm at this point convincing myself this is airtight.

[Mackay]

I'll put you out of your misery and say you got the last mafia, anyway.

Yeah I was doomed ever since you redirected Sentran to 3iff. Although if you had redirected anyone but me I think we might have been able to pull out the win. =)

Good game. I hope it's a town win and not cult.

I'll be interested to see if Amb is cult and tried to recruit me, or if it was read-based. I think his arguments against me weren't very strong, but he clearly *knew* something and was trying to back it up with in-thread stuff. Once Zag started in too I thought I might have been a failed recruit.

[Mackay]

There is so much I want to find out about but I want to wait until the game is officially over one way or the other. UM usually posts at about midnight my time, it's just shy of 8:30 am now. NOOOO.

[The Great Crep'er]

I'm actually surprised you didn't pair with Elethiomel against me. It seems like he was pretty hard set against me because of the lie, despite you having claimed doc and lived, and so many other outside elements he could have considered.

@Mackay: Maybe, since you were on the other end, you could enlighten us to how the scum kills worked? Was it like one person enforcing the kill? (My best guess)

Regardless, good bleepin' game. You're great at looking town, and even though it's a lot due to other players pulling some majorly ominous characteristics against themselves, you're very skilled at pulling it all together and forming a pretty solid town read. The final nail was due in major part to the night actions. (My role was a bit OP) Anyone who reads the entire game thread can figure out pretty much that in spite of both the nokill and the doc survival, the only two who had something close to your true number were Zag and Amb (oddly enough, the one player who said you would be pretty elusive as scum).

One of the few solaces I took early on in the game was itisally's death. An SK along with a cult and mafia? That would get messy quick, and definitely cost town some of its room for screwups.

[Mackay]

Yep. Sentran was the only one who could perform the kills. And your redirection worked by targeting the user, not the victim. I was pissed.

We actually had some pretty good stuff on our side that also got rendered completely ineffectual, but I don't know if I'm cool to talk about it yet.

[Mackay]

Oh and we were given one safe claim between us: Coach.

[Amb]

My arguments were based on gut feel, past history, and some very strong overreactions from you Mackay. It's very hard to argue those with succinct clarity, as shown by the lack of people that followed me. My gut was wrong about Jadesmar/Elethiomel earlier. But Elethiomel put a lot of that right. But Mackay is a very hard player to pin any mistakes on - and I just wanted her lynched so I could refocus.

At the start of the game, I remember thinking I need to find Coach, Tyson and Russell because my PM specifically mentioned them as untrustworthy. I forgot about that as the game went on, but once Coach claimed - I knew he would be scum because of his role in the show. But I didn't realise the impact my subconcious memory was having. Ironically coach wasn't in the game, and neither was Tyson. So I got really really lucky there.

I certainly tried to guess how a mafia game like this would work - and I got lucky with some guesses. Just wish I'd followed through on them more.

It was frustrating as hell knowing that we were looking for mafia not cult. And getting MNO how I did was fantastic. Especially as he likely would have tried to recruit me.

Zag - did you lose your abilities?

[Mackay]

So you weren't cult?

I stopped being mad at you when I decided you were evil!

Oh my god don't ever ignore me like that again. Admittedly I was already mad because we had gone from a spectacular position in the game to one of being one number down, exposed, and stripped of our advantages due to a SINGLE NIGHT ACTION (yes Creper, you were overpowered ) but that made me so cranky!

Great read, anyway. I wondered whether it was just that you know me so well. =)

[The Great Crep'er]

And to think, I was only putting Sentran forward and giving you guys extra time. I feel like such a schmuck now.

Wondering now how Sentran, the killer, ended up in such a precarious position. I'm guessing it's either due to some outside element that's not been confirmed by the mod yet or it was just an incredibly unlucky play. If it's the latter, I leave a rose at his grave and sympathize. If it happened to me, out of 300 or so to choose from, I'd be kicking myself so far up the bum that I'd have shoelaces dangling out of my nostrils.

Dead peepz, whatup?

[Mackay]

(we were overpowered too, but Creper was able to negate literally all of it in one night.)

[MNOWAX]

Zag claimed that he did not lose his abilities to be saved from lynch and NK. He claimed he never had a Investigative role.

and LOL at all you townies! even when you kill me, i still manage to f*** up everyone's mindset.
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[The Great Crep'er]

Hmm, that's weird. I wonder what ended up happening that forced Zag to go out when he did. Also, yes MNOWAX. Your "crazy posting" managed to f*** up all our mindsets, what did you expect, you testified to that yourself.

Of course, with hindsight goggles, your last words read incredibly transparent.

I guess one reasoning for my OP would be that town was dealt with a plethora of villains. But with itisally's and MNOWAX's early exits, it ended up being unnecessary.

And it won't mean much now that Amb's proclaiming this ultimate victory for nabbing the cult leader, but I'd like to speak out as somewhat of a cheerleader for that lynch if nothing else.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

I think most of us dead people are waiting for the game to be officially over before posting.
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[The Great Crep'er]

It effectively [i]is[/] over with Amb and I being the only two players left.

Not quite "sole" survivor, but...close enough.

[Undercover Monk]

MACKAY!!!!!! You took my chance to be dramatic =(

Final scene:

Welcome to the final Tribal council The Great Crep'er (Rupert), Amb (JT), and Mackay (Boston Rob). You three are three of our greatest Superstars but only one of you can win Survivor. Now lets bring in our jury...oh wait we killed them all. well crap I guess we didnt think this through I guess the interns could choose....

"Not so fast Probst"

"Richard Hatch and Mike Tyson....."

The original sole survivor stared down the host as Tyson cracked his knuckles. "Me and my friend here will be choosing who wins..."

Jeff was about to complain but one look from Tyson and he decided to just go along with it. Ok so who do you guys think should win.

"I like the guy that looks like the guy from my movie. The one with the funny beard hes hilarious." squeaked Mike Tyson.

Jeff paused "uh mike thats not Zach Ga....you know what never mind. So I guess that means Rupert finally wins the...."

"Not so fast Probst," interjected Richard. "I vote for JT that guy clearly played the best game plus I really dont like other people with R names."

"But then we have a tie" said Probst "We cant have ties....you know what screw it Rupert and JT tie and can split the prize money. We should probably send a gift basket to the families of the deceased to but who cares about that. I will leave that to the interns. My contract is finally up and I have like 80 different beach houses Ive built so Im outta here."

Probst grabbed his custom built jetpack and rocketed into the sun.

Hatch grinned as Tyson puched the crap out of Rob Mariano. "I guess that means I get to host the reunion show. Live from Tribal Cliff Its Saturday Night!!!!!"


Congratulations Town Wins
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3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Sentran]

The Mafia's entire plans got screwed over in a single night.
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[Mackay]

OK if we're pretty well done here and the dead are chatting, Now that I've previewed and Monk has posted, I've got to tell you guys about the downfall of the mafia, from my perspective. Now that I'm done being a sore loser it's hilarious.

rm was the mafia flirt. He could tie someone's vote to his. We didn't use it night 1 because it's a scummy-looking ability which is pretty obvious/visible.

I was the godfather (Boston Rob). Investigation immunity, no other powers.

Sentran was Russell Hantz. He had three immunity idols at his disposal.

So on night 2 we tried to tie Aniima's vote to rm's but it failed. (Probably roleblocked by LIML?) We also had Sentran play an idol on rm because he was catching some heat. rm did not receive confirmation of receipt of an idol, and when he asked UM he was told that he wasn't allowed to know. SO Sentran then asked for confirmation - it was leading into day 3 so rm set up a code phrase for Sentran to use when he found out.

During day 3 I misinterpreted the phrase and thought the idol wasn't used, so I went after Deception HARD in an effort to distract the lynch from ralphmerridew, as if he had made it to day 4 we would have had a voting bloc of 4/8. By the time I realised I was wrong and Sentran had been frantically re-confirming his vote on rm to try to get me to notice (I assume) I'd pretty well gone all in on Deception and would have looked SUPER suspect if I'd changed my mind, even though Amb offered me a perfect out that day. *sigh* So I way overplayed in a way I NEVER would have done if I'd realised how the night actions actually went, and put my overwhelmingly-viewed-as-innocent self on the line (Amb had a strong town read on me before that day).

But we all survived! Night 3, all the chatter was about how we had the game in the bag. All we needed to do was vote-control one person. We played an idol on Sentran, who had cross-claimed, and one on 3iff. There was no way we could lose unless a lynch wagon formed on me and I lost a tiebreaker to whomever we threw against it.

DISASTER. We know what happened next: Creper redirected our one specific killer at our vote-controller. One idol gone, one mafia dead, no nightkill for us. But it was okay, we could still get one more innocent killed before Sentran was offed the following day, by idoling someone out. My "mistaken" vote on Aniima was to make sure it was her and not me, as she was first to 3 votes - I did a bunch of PMing with UM about tiebreaker mechanics for 2nd place, and he kept telling me I didn't need to worry so much about it. I had no idea why. As it turns out, Creper not only redirected Sentran's ability, he also redirected Sentran's item. Two precious idols placed onto 3iff and dumped into the grave. Sentran dead. Me, having actively encouraged TGC to use his redirection ability on me, with the expectation that Sentran would be alive to either do the killing, or distract TGC from me. Oh my god.

I was convinced it was impossible for us to win, right up until yesterday, when I started to think we could win, except in the specific case of TGC directing me at Aniima. I think in a Mackay/Aniima/Creper final 3 I've got a good shot. Of course, TGC knew exactly what to do to test me, so well played Crep. vv

I don't think the game was really balanced, but it shook out nicely numbers-wise. And scrambling for survival for the entire second half of the game was actually REALLY FUN. So thanks UM. =)

[Mackay]

[The Great Crep'er]

Well done, everyone! GG to all the anti-town factions. Sorry you had to suffer your respective fates.

And on an up note, I heartily appreciated UM's storytelling and attention to the game. He really stayed with us, when a lesser mod would not have.

And overall, I just want to signal an appreciation to those who did not flake for not flaking. It was a rarity just a few years ago to find a game that was actually worth pushing forward due to so many newbies dropping in and being permanently removed by their RLs. I'm glad to have seen this game through and to last as long as I did. I've definitely learned a few lessons.

I think the real moral of the story, is to always trust liars. Mine especially, as it was pivotal to avoid the mafia's glare and survive to that critical night, although the fact that it almost virtually wiped out any chance of their recovery (with a few pinhole exceptions) does leave a bad taste in my mouth. Bad for town? Yes, somewhat. Necessary? Abso-flippin'-lutely.

RL beckons, but there is definitely more to say and ask on my part.
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[Mackay]

Crep: My original hope was to get you lynched on day 6. I sort of tested the waters and it didn't look like it would work, so then I was hoping for any not-Aniima lynch. Once Eleth voted for you I thought my best hope was to join Aniima and hope that you would reciprocate his vote. It still would've been fine if I'd been able to get Amb dead. There was no way Amb was voting for anyone other than me, though.

I killed Jedo because I didn't know how many immunity idols he had, and with Amb around I was likely to catch the lynching on the rebound. Also I thought it made me look decently innocent.

There just turned out to be too many people I needed dead. I was risking my neck every time I didn't murder you, but I first thought I could get you lynched - whereas I couldn't guarantee that with Jedo - and then I thought maybe it didn't matter if I could get you to F3 with someone else you found suspicious (Aniima).


With regard to why I didn't switch to you once Eleth voted for you - er... I'm kind of a method actor. I found the best way to keep myself acting "in the good of the town" was to focus on an external enemy.

...I really did think he and Amb were cult and that our only play was to get rid of them.

Admittedly, my view of Amb was heavily skewed by his behaviour toward me - as I said, I thought he MUST have failed to recruit me to be so certain. That was an additional reason for my laying it on really thick about cult restrictions - I wanted to make sure if there was a deathbed reveal about my failed recruitment, I'd already pre-empted it.

Yeah, I obsess over this game way too much. I thought it would be better as mafia than as town (I haven't been a mafioso since 2005!) but I think it was actually worse. I have to obsess about pretend enemies AND how I appear to everyone else.

[Undercover Monk]

LOL Mackay you have no idea how fun it was watching your paranoid little mind work =D The crazy thing is just how fast you 3 fell. Every thing was going your way the two biggest threats SK and cult recruiter dead and gone and with one disatorous turn everything started going wrong. Kinda mirrors what happens on the show you think you are in control and then wham you are sent packing.

As far as balance go I stand by my set-up. It went to three people so It certinley wasn't broken as so many people kept saying in game. You guys must have a low opinion of me . =(

More info to come soon but here are all the quicktopic threads in use for the game

Mafia Thread:[url]
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/W6GbWQ33JH9gY[/url]

Dead Thread:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/qLmyqNteRByHZ

Mason Thread:[url]
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/hWSWMSssPLhh[/url]

Alliance Thread:[url]
http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/63Tgi9tKfj9[/url]
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning