Winter has begun... (Game over!)

[Sentran]

One of my personal favorite roles for this game was Varys. I was a bit concerned that such a convoluted role would be considered over-powered. Here's the repost of the role, in case people don't want to look back.

Role Name: Varys, the Spider
Role: Rumormonger, Neutral
Role Power: As a truly neutral character, as long as you survive when any side has eliminated all threats to them, you win as well by declaring yourself to be among their numbers. In addition to this, any non-killing ability that targets you is automatically redirected to another player. Also, you may target one player each night to receive a piece of random truthful information from your “little birds”. You will not be made aware of the information.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Zag]

I liked it, too. Even though the information itself was so cryptic as to be fairly uninformative, the Varys player could/should have gotten some information by who chose to reveal it and who didn't. I know that the one piece that we mafia received we weren't going to reveal due to fear that bringing it up exposed us, somehow.

I had a role in my game where a person could send a very short message, but even a random message is kind of interesting to work with.

[Undercover Monk]

well thank God I feel drained after going from railing about Zag to railing about Jedo (why dont I listen to my gut more). Zag and jedo together is a dangerous mix for the town and had mno not gotten taken out we never would have won. GG everyone.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[MNOWAX]

[Elethiomel]

I had a feeling the scum could only talk at night, given their incoherent play on day 2.

Personally, I thought the MNO/Zag gambit was very transparent after day 2. I felt that the townies who let MNO off the hook and dismissed the Deception lynch as "understandable" were letting us down, and to be honest it put me in a bit of a foul mood. I know that doesn't reflect so well on me, but that is how I felt about it. Normally, I take it as a compliment when I am night-killed, but in this instance it was really frustrating, seeing just how misguided the town was in my absence. So in short, I agree with Novice and Jedo that the town didn't deserve to win this.

Thanks again to Sentran for hosting the game. I am impressed by all the thought and effort that went into all of the setup and interludes. Regarding the setup, I'm a little surprised that no-one has complained about Deception's role being overpowered. It is certainly the most powerful role I have seen.

[Zag]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

I just want to say that I had a good time. It was a tough game for both sides. I too wish not as many people decided to go AWOL. I look forward to your next game Sentran.
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[Elethiomel]

[Jedo the Jedi]

I'm just going to move the recent query here.

[MNOWAX]

[Zag]

In a self-congratulatory tone, I'd like to point out that the Mafia did incredibly well, considering what a hole we started in. While lynching the vigilante on the first day was moderately lucky for us, it was completely swamped by the first night's results: Not only did we lose one of our own to the serial killer, but it was the one person whose loss cost us our own night-kill.

[3iff]

And we wasted two nights trying to get itisally.

[cloudRunner]

I am also incredibly frustrated with how this game went. Not just because all but 2 of my kills got blocked, but because of how low my chances of winning were with all the factors at play. I had a good case on Durryn but only got support from Jedo (apparently Durryn's weak defense made him look town, somehow??) And although I did succeed in getting Amb lynched, it was at the cost of getting on everyone's scumdar, and all the damage control in the world wasn't going to help. So then I did the whole bit about getting silenced to try to introduce more doubt among the remaining unknowns, but sadly the timing was poor due to Zag' s lynch (I figured the scum KNEW who I was at this point). I realized I was getting roleblocked when my kills on Ally failed (which in hindsight i see would've been useless anyway) and had a last ditch case on 3iff prepared but unfortunately I had an emergency meeting that weekend and never got a chance to post it before getting lynched.

In conclusion, I absolutely agree that the town did not deserve to win this game. Oh and you're welcome Town for my gift-wrapped and hand-delivered Mafia GF in Fritzler (not a random pick, pure gut instinct baby).
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Forever is such an unpleasant word

[3iff]

So your silence was a fake?

[cloudRunner]

Yup. Which is why I lost it when you made your claim
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Forever is such an unpleasant word

[Zag]

I agree that serial killer is an extremely difficult role to win. After all, the mafia and town players can die during the game and still win.

Ooo, that gives me another question to put in my 'Mafia theory' thread.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[itisally]

I have to say it hurts a little to say Town didn't deserve this win.

I was reading the Mafia thread an laughed when Jedo said he though t I was convinced he was town because I never did. He was totally on my scum list the whole time. 3iff stayed of my radar because of only having 3 days of posting. Without that I would have targeted him much sooner for lack of content.

Durryn got my support because I know how he talks. It is part of living with someone and those of you who have gamed together for a long time know that people who you are familiar with are easier to read. There was no question for me that he wasn't mafia.

What I really learned is that I need to trust my gut more. And stick to my guns earlier (even if people think it means I am not considering what they saying. Once I started to do that things got much better for town.
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[Raearia]

As a person who had stayed up to date on this game to be a replacement ( then was told the details by Sentran since I was not needed) I have to say it was pretty brilliant.

As a neutral party who was able to look into both factions and know the behind the scenes it was a pretty awesome read all around. I giggled a lot.

The one thing I would have to say at the moment is as adults to say someone does not deserve to win is a bit childish. It is almost as if you are saying they didn't work as hard for the win or are not as good as you are. Tone can not be read, it can be heard or seen. Really it came down to circumstances. People made mistakes on both sides, one side came out on top. I am pretty sure you don't mean to make the people who played town feel like they are worthless however. ( This is not to be a rude person btw this is just making you aware of how SOME people feel over the choice of words being used.)

Mafia had the game in the bag the ENTIRE game but mistakes happen.

Terry I think your game was awesome, you can't make everyone happy and your intellect is pretty amazing. I would say in the words of Justin's teacher: " Tone down your genius".
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10289 is the end!

[novice]

Lynching a claimed investigator, with an obviously town character name (Eddard Stark) that is guaranteed to be in the game, when noone had counterclaimed, is very poor play in my eyes.

I didn't follow the game closely after this, but I noticed that the Deception lynch wasn't really analyzed, and that the hammer voter 3iff survived until the final day.

I agree that there's no need to be rude, I do think that play is worth pointing out though so it's not repeated.

[Undercover Monk]

I actually brought that up but there was always a bigger fish to fry. I couldnt believe that I survived after killing zag but I guess they thought they could be more convincing than me I still dont see how jedo thought he could convince people that I was scum. even after the game it sounded like he had started to believe his own lies and misconstructions.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]