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gftt*
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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:23 pm    Post subject: 1481 Egads. This looks ridiculously hard. d(x) = d(ATE) = d(MOOD) = Possibly reversal? ETA, DOOM? f(x) = f(PROS) = f(9) = PICKS Maybe it's "add a letter to get a homophone"? f(PROS) = PROSE f(PICS) = PICKS? g(x) = g(OGRESS) = OGRES? OGRESS -> OGRES seems too boring. Maybe OGRESS->PROGRESS?
novice
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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:56 pm    Post subject: 1482 ATE = a(b(c(d(ATE)))) BOREDOM = e(f(g(h(MOS))), i(PAY)) BOWL = j(k(l(FRIES)), a(MEGA)) ITEM = a(m(b(l(ELEVATOR)), j(BEATS, TOO))) LOSE = n(h(d(i(SOT)))) NOM = h(f(c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY))))) PETROL = l(b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK))))) PICKS = f(b(g(k(PAUPER)))) j(m(i(l(c(f(i(d(b(m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP)))))))), n(a(d(g(OGRESS))))), e(i(a(g(h(i(g(b(e(c(b(d(MOOD))), k(LEG))))))))), b(m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN))))) --- Functions, with sample inputs and outputs: a(x) = (move last two letters to the front?) a(SIN) = (IN)S? a(b(c(d(ATE)))) = ATE = a(EAT) ? a(MEGA) = (GA)ME? a(m(b(l(ELEVATOR)), j(BEATS, TOO))) = ITEM = (EM)IT? b(x) = b(c(d(ATE))) = EAT? = b(c(ETA))? b(l(ELEVATOR)) = b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK)))) = b(g(k(PAUPER))) = b(m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN)) = b(m(n(f(PROS)), INS) ? = b(d(MOOD)) = b(DOOM) ? = b(k(NAVY)) = b(m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP)) = c(x) = c(d(ATE)) = c(ETA)? c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY))) = c(b(d(MOOD))) = c(b(DOOM)) ? = d(x) = reversal? d(ATE) = ETA? d(MOOD) = DOOM? d(i(SOT)) = e(x, y) = center y inside x? e(f(g(h(MOS))), i(PAY)) = BOREDOM = BO(RED)OM? e(GO, i(n(BREAK))) = e(c(b(d(MOOD))), k(LEG)) = e(c(b(DOOM)), k(LEG)) = f(x) = add letter for homophone? f(PROS) = PROSE? f(b(g(k(PAUPER)))) = PICKS = f(PICS) ? f(c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY)))) = g(x) = remove pairs of letters? g(OGRESS) = OGRE? g(h(MOS)) = g(k(PAUPER)) = h(x) = h(MOS) = h(f(c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY))))) = NOM h(d(i(SOT))) = i(x) = i(SOT) = i(PAY) = i(n(BREAK)) = j(x, y) = j(k(l(FRIES)), a(MEGA)) = j(k(l(FRIES)), GAME?) = BOWL j(BEATS, TOO) = ET ???? j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY)) = j(GROUND, GRAVITY?) = k(x) = k(NAVY) = k(LEG) = k(PAUPER) = k(l(FRIES)) = l(x) = l(FRIES) = l(ELEVATOR) = l(b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK))))) = PETROL m(x, y) = put x inside of y, to the right? m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP) = m(IT, GRAVY) = GRAV(IT)Y? m(b(l(ELEVATOR)), j(BEATS, TOO)) = EMIT? = E(MI)T ?? => b(l(ELEVATOR)) = MI, j(BEATS, TOO) = ET ??? m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN)) = m(n(PROSE), INS) ? = n(x) = n(BREAK) = n(h(d(i(SOT)))) = LOSE n(a(d(g(OGRESS)))) = n(a(d(OGRE))) = n(a(ERGO)) = n(GOER) n(f(PROS)) = n(PROSE?)Last edited by novice on Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:31 pm; edited 5 times in total
Suspence
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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: 1483 To be honest, I have no idea what is even going on, or what any of novice's work means._________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
novice
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: 1484

 Suspence wrote: To be honest, I have no idea what is even going on, or what any of novice's work means.

We have to determine what the functions a-n do, based on the known inputs and/or outputs. We know that all inputs and outputs must be words. When we've done this we should be able to evaluate the long expression at the bottom and find the solution to the puzzle.

I've listed the functions and the instances of their use, so we can try to decipher what they do.
SuperSlug
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:50 pm    Post subject: 1485 Hi there. Read all 37 pages of this topic yesterday and I'm ready to contribute. ~~~~~ Course 7E OK, 3 different websites with three slightly different Tech Trees brings us the follwing: Course Titles matched with Zerg Buildings: Animal Flight I (Spire) Animal Flight II (Greater Spire) Basic Lifeforms I (Spawning Pool) Basic Lifeforms II (Baneling Nest) Colony Behavior I (Hatchery) Colony Behavior II (Hive) Life Underground I (Lair) Life Underground II (Nydus Network) Nest Protection I (Spore Crawler) Nest Protection II (Spine Crawler) Non-Oxygen-Based Lifeforms (Extractor) Parasites (Infestation Pit) Predator Mutations I (Evolution Chamber) Predator Mutations II (Hydralisk Den) Predator Mutations III (Ultralisk Cavern) Wound Healing (Roach Warren) Course Numbers matched with Zerg Buildings: 01 Extractor (Pq: N/A) 02 Hatchery (Pq: N/A) 03 Evolution Chamber (Pq: Hatchery) 04 Spore Crawler (Pq: Evolution Chamber) 09 Spawning Pool (Pq: Hatchery) 12 Baneling Nest (Pq: Spawning Pool) 13 Lair (Pq: Spawning Pool) from Hatchery 15 Infestation Pit (Pq: Lair) 17 Roach Warren (Pq: Spawning Pool) 18 Nydus Network (Pq: Lair) 20 Hive (Pq: Infestation Pit) from Lair 26 Hydralisk Den (Pq: Lair) 28 Ultralisk Cavern (Pq: Hive) 29 Spire (Pq: Lair) 31 Spine Crawler (Pq: Spawning Pool) 35 Greater Spire (Pq: Hive) from Spire Use Course Numbers to index into Course Descriptions: DUALMODENORSEMAN or DUAL MODE NORSEMAN Under Terran Units there are choices of THOR and VIKING. Thor - huge bipedal war machine armed with a dorsal artillery battery. Viking - ultimate anti-air and ground-support weapon system with the ability to change from an assault walker to an air-superiority fighter. I suggest call in VIKING ~sluggy_________________Some people are lost in the shuffle. I'm shuffling along with the lost.
LordKinbote
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: 1486 VIKING is correct. Welcome to the fun!
LordKinbote
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: 1487 Updated the count. We've got this puzzle, three more rounds of 8 puzzles each, and 4 more metas to solve. The end is in sight!
Suspence
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: 1488 Thanks for the update LK, and welcome SuperSlug...nice solving._________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
SuperSlug
Daedalian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:57 am    Post subject: 1489

Thank you for the front page update LordK (it was some what confusing yesterday but I figured out where you actually were after reading the thread).

Phantom of the Operator
I looked at the impressive list of functions information and then wandered off to the Phantom meta list.

All these words appear on a list of recommended exchange names.
(Be careful, the puzzle solution will be one of the top choices if you Google the answer list. I quickly scrolled it up the page so I couldn't read it inadvertently.)

 Code: 34 1 FIRESTONE 25 2 CLINTON 86 3 UNION 63 4 MERCURY 73 5 PERSHING 24 6 CHERRY 82 7 VALLEY 84 8 VIKING    9 def ghi, abc jkl, tuv mno, mno def, prs def, abc ghi, tuv abc, tuv ghi, ??? ??? D   I    A   L    T   O    N   E    ?   E    ?   ?    T   A    T   I    ?   ? ?E??TATI??

RECITATION (if ON=66, then 9 is MOhawk, MOntrose, MOrris, NOrmandy, or NOrth(ﬁeld))
RECITATIVE (if VE=83, then 9 is TEmple, TEnnyson, TErminal, TErrace, or VErnon)

Since this is a take on Phantom of the Opera and recitatives are used in operas, I like DIAL TONE RECITATIVE
(If that's not it, let's try DIAL TONE RECITATION) ~sluggy
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LordKinbote
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:07 am    Post subject: 1490 DIAL TONE RECITATIVE is correct. Since you've made the solving of "Functions" less important, let's move on to the next round, shall we? Feel free to keep solving "Functions" or backsolving if you wish. Next critic round: Sheila Sunshine Investigator's Report Old puzzles are numbered. New puzzles are unnumbered. First puzzle: Curiouser and Curiouser by Michael Colao
gftt*
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:43 am    Post subject: 1491

 Quote: l(x) = l(FRIES) = l(ELEVATOR) = l(b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK))))) = PETROL

Might this have something to do with Britishisms? PETROL is British for GAS(OLINE), whereas FRIES and ELEVATOR are American for CHIPS and LIFT.

 Quote: m(x, y) = put x inside of y, to the right? m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP) =

There aren't any words that can be put into PREP to make a new word. Unless adding a word to the end counts as "putting into".

For Curiouser and Curiouser, given the puzzle creators' Alice in Wonderland fixation, I suggest that this passage is relevant:
 Quote: `Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English); `now I'm opening out like the largest telescope that ever was! Good-bye, feet!' (for when she looked down at her feet, they seemed to be almost out of sight, they were getting so far off). `Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I'm sure _I_ shan't be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can; --but I must be kind to them,' thought Alice, `or perhaps they won't walk the way I want to go! Let me see: I'll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.'

Also, the clues seem to be rather verbose. Perhaps clue length is again a factor here.
LordKinbote
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: 1492

gftt* wrote:
For Curiouser and Curiouser, given the puzzle creators' Alice in Wonderland fixation, I suggest that this passage is relevant:
 Quote: `Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English); `now I'm opening out like the largest telescope that ever was! Good-bye, feet!' (for when she looked down at her feet, they seemed to be almost out of sight, they were getting so far off). `Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I'm sure _I_ shan't be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can; --but I must be kind to them,' thought Alice, `or perhaps they won't walk the way I want to go! Let me see: I'll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.'

Also, the clues seem to be rather verbose. Perhaps clue length is again a factor here.

I don't know if I'm saying too much here, not for this hunt but for possible future hunts...but "Alice in Wonderland" was very much in the running for the theme of our hunt. It (obviously) did not win the majority vote but it was close. Some took their ideas that they would have used for the Alice theme and recycled them here.

This is in no way a hint for this puzzle though.
SuperSlug
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: 1493 Acrostic down the first letters of the clues: GARFIELD, BAGPUSS, FIGARO Do we need to refer to the musical CATS? Edit: I think, yes. Generate a new route through the wilderness; pioneer TRAILBLAZE T Grizabella G An alkaline cleaning material used in Commonwealth countries to remove tarry masses not easily removed by common cleansers SUGAR SOAP O Asparagus A Regal king who was the first ruler of all of the British Isles Fully or partially undergoes changes in state or condition. Loses one’s or its original nature MUTATES T Admetus D It means equipped with or wearing a soldier’s broad shoulder belt having small pockets or loops for cartridges BANDOILERED A Griddlebone G Examples of these weevil pests include the Bluegrass, Denver, Phoenician, and Hunting varieties. BILLBUGS G Sillabub A Little anterior dorsal piece of the thoracic segment of an insect PRESCUTUM E Rumpus Cat A Desirable appliance that can compress refuse into relatively small parcels for disposal COMPACTOR M Coricopat I Being able to affect the feelings or sympathies of someone watching A French word for a wide variety of aquatic decapods, often used in reference to gastronomy Genius-level honorific used to describe Dee Dee Ramone, Johnny Rotten, Joe Strummer and a few other experts PUNK MASTER E Munkustrap U Particularly in the American Old West, this was an establishment that served alcoholic drinks for consumption on the premises SALOON S Alonzo Z Unholy mess, catastrophe, disaster CALAMITY L Macavity V Said to be living with the god Pan, these people make their home in a land that has become synonymous with being pastoral and beautiful ARCADIANS I Cassandra S Sportsperson who intercepts and often brings down to the ground an opposing player in a physical challenge TACKLER K Electra E Flake, face or gild PLATE E Plato O It’s the surname of actress Tamara, whose credits include more than 60 episodes each of two daytime soap operas, and a guest spot on the Mentalist CLATTERBUCK L Carbucketty Y Gluttony, rapacity, greediness VORACITY Y Victoria I A “Black” variety of this Malaysian plant has a top said to resemble a beehive GINGERWORT N Growltiger L Registered, set down, posted ENTERED N Demeter M Often referred to as a Paddy Wagon or Black Maria and used to either transport prisoners, or alternatively to rapidly transport officers POLICE VAN E Pouncival U One letter different in defined word vs. cat name ~sluggy Letters from defined words: TO-TAGEM--ESLIKELYNNE or TO-TAGEM--ES LIKE LYNNE Gillian Lynne is the choreographer for Cats and The Phantom of the Opera. TO sTAGE MovES LIKE LYNNE is to choreograph. Call in CHOREOGRAPH_________________Some people are lost in the shuffle. I'm shuffling along with the lost.
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:36 am    Post subject: 1494 SuperSlug is on fire!
novice
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: 1495

 Quote: There aren't any words that can be put into PREP to make a new word. Unless adding a word to the end counts as "putting into".

PRE(NU)P
novice
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: 1496

gftt* wrote:
 Quote: l(x) = l(FRIES) = l(ELEVATOR) = l(b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK))))) = PETROL

Might this have something to do with Britishisms? PETROL is British for GAS(OLINE), whereas FRIES and ELEVATOR are American for CHIPS and LIFT.

If so we could have
k(x) = word pairs
k(NAVY) = ARMY
k(LEG) = ARM
k(PAUPER) = PRINCE
k(CHIPS) = FISH
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: 1497 If a is synonyms and j is word completion, we get j(k(l(FRIES)), a(MEGA)) = j(k(CHIPS), SUPER) = j(FISH, SUPER) = BOWL
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: 1498 g could be changing the sex of a word, so: g(OGRESS) = OGRE f(b(g(k(PAUPER)))) = PICKS = f(b(g(PRINCE))) = f(b(PRINCESS)) = f(PICS) so b is taking every second letter.
novice
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: 1499

 novice wrote: If a is synonyms and j is word completion, we get j(k(l(FRIES)), a(MEGA)) = j(k(CHIPS), SUPER) = j(FISH, SUPER) = BOWL

a can keep being moving the last two letters to the front. j can be a word that completes the first input and starts the second input. So
j(FISH, GAME) = BOWL (fish bowl, bowl game)
j(BEATS, TOO) = ME (beats me, me too)
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: 1500 Updated hypotheses: ATE = a(b(c(d(ATE)))) BOREDOM = e(f(g(h(MOS))), i(PAY)) BOWL = j(k(l(FRIES)), a(MEGA)) ITEM = a(m(b(l(ELEVATOR)), j(BEATS, TOO))) LOSE = n(h(d(i(SOT)))) NOM = h(f(c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY))))) PETROL = l(b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK))))) PICKS = f(b(g(k(PAUPER)))) j(m(i(l(c(f(i(d(b(m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP)))))))), n(a(d(g(OGRESS))))), e(i(a(g(h(i(g(b(e(c(b(d(MOOD))), k(LEG))))))))), b(m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN))))) --- Functions, with sample inputs and outputs: a(x) = rotate letters for a new word a(SIN) = INS a(b(c(d(ATE)))) = ATE = a(b(c(ETA))) = a(b(THETA)) = a(TEA) = ATE a(MEGA) = GAME a(m(b(l(ELEVATOR)), j(BEATS, TOO))) = ITEM = a(MITE) b(x) = Remove every second letter (odd or even) b(c(d(ATE))) = TEA = b(c(ETA)) = b(THETA) b(l(ELEVATOR)) = b(LIFT) = IT b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK)))) = GAS = b(GOA.S.) b(g(k(PAUPER))) = b(g(PRINCE)) = b(PRINCESS) = PICS b(m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN)) = b(m(n(PROSE), INS) = b(d(MOOD)) = b(DOOM) = DO b(k(NAVY)) = b(ARMY) = AM b(m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP)) = b(m(AM, PREP)) = b(PREAMP) = RAP c(x) = Next word in sequence c(d(ATE)) = c(ETA) = THETA c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY))) = c(j(GROUND, GRAVITY)) = c(ZERO) = ONE c(b(d(MOOD))) = c(b(DOOM)) = c(DO) = RE d(x) = reverse the letters d(ATE) = ETA d(MOOD) = DOOM d(i(SOT)) = d(MIN) = NIM e(x, y) = concatenate e(f(g(h(MOS))), i(PAY)) = BOREDOM = BORE+DOM e(GO, i(n(BREAK))) = GOA.S. e(c(b(d(MOOD))), k(LEG)) = e(c(b(DOOM)), k(LEG)) = e(RE, ARM) = REARM f(x) = homophone f(PROS) = PROSE f(b(g(k(PAUPER)))) = PICKS = f(PICS) f(c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY)))) = f(ONE) = WON f(g(h(MOS))) = f(BOAR) = BORE g(x) = change sex of word g(OGRESS) = OGRE g(h(MOS)) = g(SOW) = BOAR g(k(PAUPER)) = g(PRINCE) = PRINCESS g(RAM) = EWE h(x) = turn upside down h(MOS) = SOW h(f(c(j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY))))) = h(f(ONE)) = h(WON) = NOM h(d(i(SOT))) = h(NIM) = WIN i(x) = caesar shift i(SOT) = MIN i(PAY) = DOM i(n(BREAK)) = A.S. i(PAR) = WHY i(EWE) = WOW i(ADD) = BEE / ILL / LOO j(x, y) = word completing x and starting y j(k(l(FRIES)), a(MEGA)) = j(FISH, GAME) = BOWL j(BEATS, TOO) = ME j(GROUND, m(IT, GRAVY)) = j(GROUND, GRAVITY) = ZERO k(x) = word association, change to other word in word pair k(NAVY) = ARMY k(LEG) = ARM k(PAUPER) = PRINCE k(l(FRIES)) = k(CHIPS) = FISH l(x) = britishisms, change to british version of word l(FRIES) = CHIPS l(ELEVATOR) = LIFT l(b(e(GO, i(n(BREAK))))) = PETROL = l(GAS) m(x, y) = put the first word inside the other m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP) = m(AM, PREP) = PREAMP m(IT, GRAVY) = GRAVITY m(b(l(ELEVATOR)), j(BEATS, TOO)) = m(b(LIFT), ME) = m(IT, ME) = MITE m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN)) = m(n(PROSE), INS) = INVERSES n(x) = antonym n(BREAK) = n(h(d(i(SOT)))) = LOSE = n(WIN) n(a(d(g(OGRESS)))) = n(a(d(OGRE))) = n(a(ERGO)) = n(GOER) = COMER n(f(PROS)) = n(PROSE) = VERSE Solution: j(m(i(l(c(f(i(d(b(m(b(k(NAVY)), PREP)))))))), n(a(d(g(OGRESS))))), e(i(a(g(h(i(g(b(e(c(b(d(MOOD))), k(LEG))))))))), b(m(n(f(PROS)), a(SIN))))) = j(m(i(l(c(f(i(PAR))))), n(GOER)), e(i(a(g(h(i(g(b(e(c(DO), ARM)))))))), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(l(c(f(i(PAR))))), n(GOER)), e(i(a(g(h(i(EWE))))), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(l(c(f(i(PAR))))), n(GOER)), e(i(a(g(h(WOW)))), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(l(c(f(i(PAR))))), n(GOER)), e(i(ADD), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(l(c(f(WHY)))), n(GOER)), e(i(ADD), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(l(c(Y))), n(GOER)), e(i(ADD), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(l(Z)), n(GOER)), e(i(ADD), b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(i(ZED), n(GOER)), e(BEE / ILL / LOO, b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(PUT, n(GOER)), e(BEE / ILL / LOO, b(m(n(PROSE), INS)))) = j(m(PUT, n(GOER)), e(BEE / ILL / LOO, b(m(VERSE, INS)))) = j(m(PUT, n(GOER)), e(BEE / ILL / LOO, b(INVERSES))) = j(m(PUT, n(GOER)), e(BEE / ILL / LOO, NESS)) = j(m(PUT, n(GOER)), ILLNESS) = j(m(PUT, COMER), ILLNESS) = j(COMPUTER, ILLNESS) = TERMINALLast edited by novice on Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:03 pm; edited 1 time in total
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: 1501 Forward solving confirms that the answer to Functions is TERMINAL.
gftt
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:09 pm    Post subject: 1502

PREAMP is a word? New to me!

Nice work.

We have all of the answers for the first part of Sheila Sunshine's meta: http://www.mit.edu/~puzzle/12/sheila_sunshine/investigators_report/

STERNO
VIKING
RUSHHOUR
PERSHING
RESTSTOP
DRUNKTANK
STARTOVER
TORCHWOOD
BAKINGSODA

so 18 different letters used (missing FJLMQXYZ) corresponding to the 18 different mirror types. We need the last mirror (the only ones that splits a beam into two) for grids 1 7 8 9 and it can't be the R so it has to be O.

 Code: Remaining mirrors labeled 1-17 -: not possible o/blank: still possible X: correct    ABCDE GHIKNPRSTUVW 1  oooo- o 2  -o-o- - 3  ---oo - 4  -ooo- - 5  --oo- o 6  ---o- - 7  ---o- - 8  ---o- - 9  -o-o- - 10 --oo- - 11 ---oo o 12 oo-o- - 13 ---o- - 14 --oo- - 15 -ooo- o 16 ---o- - 17 --oo- -----------o    ABCDE GHIKNPRSTUVW

Last edited by gftt on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:50 pm; edited 15 times in total
LordKinbote
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: 1503 TERMINAL is right. CHOREOGRAPH is right. Disorder of Operations by Kai Huang
gftt
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:35 pm    Post subject: 1504 By the way the Sheila Sunshine meta seems to imply that all answers this round are 11 letters long.
SuperSlug
Daedalian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: 1505

 novice wrote: SuperSlug is on fire!

Terribly bored; spouse was watching football and can't go outside because that darn Sandy is moving in.

Nice job on the functions.
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gftt
Daedalian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: 1506

R has to let light go out the top and the left (based on grids 3 & 5) but it can't be 1, 16, 3, or 12 (based on grid 5). It must therefore be 11.

From grid 7, if beam 1 is to get to the splitter it now has only one choice - to come down from above. Hence A can't be mirror 1 and must be mirror 12.

 Code: Remaining mirrors labeled 1-17 -: not possible o/blank: still possible X: correct    ABCDE GHIKNP STUVW 1  -ooo- o 2  -o-o- - 3  ---oo - 4  -ooo- - 5  --oo- o 6  ---o- - 7  ---o- - 8  ---o- - 9  -o-o- - 10 --oo- - 12 X---- ------ ----- 13 ---o- - 14 --oo- - 15 -ooo- o 16 ---o- - 17 --oo- ------ ----o    ABCDE GHIKNP STUVW
novice
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:13 pm    Post subject: 1507

 LordKinbote wrote: Okay. Next puzzle: Functions by Kai Huang

Btw, I meant to say that I really enjoyed this puzzle. Maybe it was like the Itinerant People of America and I was the only one.
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: 1508 Disorder of Operations AABEHIPTZ - ALPHABETIZED minus LED EROMEVEHLAHPBASEEWINHEELRE EUGCHATERAPRIEINDIE GRSHTERVER ISCASYMOLSWIHCVEANSAIHSEMENS LMRSVVW - REMOVE VOWELS (alphabetized and removed vowels) NCORIFHTSUJPEK OLASOULLRS OMIEVEYFOTHYML RMHRRSHRHYMWHHWRKY WSPAEHCRIFOLT 34, 7, 11, 13, 15, 33, 13, 6, 16, 9, 18
LordKinbote
Daedalian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: 1509

novice wrote:
 LordKinbote wrote: Okay. Next puzzle: Functions by Kai Huang

Btw, I meant to say that I really enjoyed this puzzle. Maybe it was like the Itinerant People of America and I was the only one.

Only one here, but not the only one. Functions got several good reviews from people who solved it during the actual competition (as did IPA, for that matter, though that one was solved less).
groza528
No Place Like Home

 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:36 pm    Post subject: 1510 Functions looks like a really cool puzzle and I'm going to try to go back and look at it on my own later. I love IPA during the hunt.
gftt
Daedalian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: 1511

novice wrote:
 LordKinbote wrote: Okay. Next puzzle: Functions by Kai Huang

Btw, I meant to say that I really enjoyed this puzzle. Maybe it was like the Itinerant People of America and I was the only one.

I liked watching you solve it. Does that count?
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: 1512 Disorder of Operations 1: AABEHIPTZ - ALPHABETIZE and then remove every fourth symbol 2: EROMEVEHLAHPBASEEWINHEELRE - swapping letters pairwise yields REMOVE HEALPHABESWENIEHLEER - which is REMOVE THE ALPHABET'S TWENTIETH LETTER with T removed. 3: EUGCHATERAPRIEINDIE - E(XP)U(N)G(E)CHA(RAC)TER(S)A(T)PRI(M)EINDI(C)E(S) and then remove doubled letter (A) 4: GRSHTERVER - REV(E)R(S)E TH(E) S(T)R(IN)G and then remove prime-indexed letters 5: ISCASYMOLSWIHCVEANSAIHSEMENS - (D)ISCA(RD) SYM(B)OLS WI(T)H C(UR)VE(D) AN(D) S(TR)AI(G)H(T) SE(G)MEN(T)S - discarding symbols with both curved and straight segments, and removing T 6: LMRSVVW - REMOVE VOWELS (alphabetized and removed vowels) 7: NCORIFHTSUJPEK - KEEP JUST THE FIRST OCCURRENCES - with duplicates removed and the string reversed 8: OLASOULLRS - (C)OL(L)A(P)S(ED)OU(B)L(ED)L(ETTE)RS - collapsed doubled letters first, giving COLAPSEDOUBLEDLRS, then remove characters that rhyme with the word key to get (C)OLA(P)S(ED)OU(B)L(ED)LRS 9: OMIEVEYFOTHYML - OMIT EVERY FOURTH SYMBOL after before removing curved/straight symbols 10: RMHRRSHRHYMWHHWRKY - REMOVE CHARACTERS THAT RHYME WITH THE WORD KEY and also remove vowels 11: WSPAEHCRIFOLT - SWAP EACH PAIR OF LETTERS and then only keep the first occurrences 34, 7, 11, 13, 15, 33, 13, 6, 16, 9, 18 --- Order of operations: 1: Alphabetize is before Omit every fourth symbol 2. Remove the alphabet's twentieth letter is before Swap each pair of letters 3. Expunge characters at prime indices Is before Collapse doubled letters 4. Reverse the string is before Expunge characters at prime indices 5. Discard symbols with curved and straight segments is before or after (can't tell) Remove the alphabet's twentieth letter 6. Alphabetize is before or after (can't tell) Remove vowels 7. Keep just the first occurrences is before Reverse the string 8. Collapse doubled letters Is before Remove characters that rhyme with the word key 9. Omit every fourth symbol is before Discard symbols with curved and straight segments 10. Remove characters that rhyme with the word key is before or after Remove vowels 11. Swap each pair of letters is before Keep just the first occurrencesLast edited by novice on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:47 pm; edited 16 times in total
gftt
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: 1513 WSPAEHCRIFOLT - SWAP EACH PAIR OF LETTERS after removing duplicate letters?
gftt
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: 1514 4 is REVERSE THE STRING but can't quite tell the other modification.
kaihuang
Icarian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: 1515

novice wrote:
 LordKinbote wrote: Okay. Next puzzle: Functions by Kai Huang

Btw, I meant to say that I really enjoyed this puzzle. Maybe it was like the Itinerant People of America and I was the only one.

Thank you! And great job to you (and gftt) in solving it!

A couple of notes:
• You can read a cleaner listing of the individual steps here. (Technically, "Y" and "Z" are not words. It's "WYE" and "ZEE".)
• I was a bit dismayed when Suspence said "Yikes...another one that is way out of my wheelhouse." Functions is actually one of the easier puzzles in the hunt. (Out of all 119 puzzles in the hunt, it had the 20th highest solve pct, which is 84th percentile in this measure of easiness.) I think it looks more scary because I decided to put it in the form of functions (which is natural for MIT students) as opposed to visually. For some other target audience, I could instead have presented each equation graphically with blanks to fill in for the intermediate words, e.g. (puzzle presentation on left, solution on right):
 Code: MOS                             MOS    |                               |   (h)                       (visual-rotate)    |                               |    V                               V _______                         __SOW__    |                               |   (g)                           (gender)    |                               |    V                               V _______       PAY               __BOAR_       PAY    |           |                   |           |   (f)         (i)             (homophone)   (caesar)    |           |                   |           |    V           V                   V           V _______     _______             __BORE_     __DOM__    |           |                   |           |     \         /                     \         /      \       /                       \       /       \     /                         \     /        \   /                           \   /         (e)                        (concatenate)          |                               |          V                               V       BOREDOM                         BOREDOM

gftt
Daedalian Member

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: 1516

S must funnel light from the right downward but also must funnel light from above downward (grid 9). It has to be mirror 10.

G and H have to let light from below go up, but also let some light go down. They are 1 and 5 in some order.

K: Grids 2 and 6 tell us that it lets some light go right and some light go down, but light from the right can't go down. The only choice left is mirror 2.

E must be mirror 3.

T must be mirror 9, so B is 15. Leaves N at 14. H is then 1 and G is 5.

U is 8 so P is 13. V is 16. So I is 7. W = 6 D = 17 C= 4

 Code: Remaining mirrors labeled 1-17 -: not possible o/blank: still possible X: correct    BCD INP UW 4  -oo --- - 6  --o --- - 7  --- X-- - 8  --- --- X 13 --- --X - 14 --- -X- - 15 X-- --- - 17 -oo --- -o    BCD INP UW

Last edited by gftt on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:34 pm; edited 11 times in total
novice
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: 1517 Disorder of Operations 34, 7, 11, 13, 15, 33, 13, 6, 16, 9, 18 --- Order of operations: Alphabetize is before Omit every fourth symbol is before Discard symbols with curved and straight segments Discard symbols with curved and straight segments is before or after (can't tell) Remove the alphabet's twentieth letter Alphabetize is before or after (can't tell) Remove vowels Remove characters that rhyme with the word key is before or after Remove vowels Remove the alphabet's twentieth letter is before Swap each pair of letters is before Keep just the first occurrences is before Reverse the string is before Expunge characters at prime indices Is before Collapse doubled letters Is before Remove characters that rhyme with the word key
gftt
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:37 pm    Post subject: 1518 OK, to summarize for future use: The mirrors in order are represented by letters H K E C G W I U T S R A P N B V D O
gftt
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: 1519 Re: order of operations, isn't it always just that the instruction given by the string is the one applied first? That would give us a circular order. Then figure out where to start and... apply to the numbers when written out in words? Hmm.
novice
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: 1520

 gftt wrote: Re: order of operations, isn't it always just that the instruction given by the string is the one applied first? That would give us a circular order. Then figure out where to start and... apply to the numbers when written out in words? Hmm.

You're right, and the extraction is just using the numbers as indices into the operations. This is the only fit, given the lengths of the strings:

34 - O - Remove characters that rhyme with the word key (39)
7 - V - Remove vowels (12)
11 - E - Alphabetize (11)
13 - R - Omit every fourth symbol (21)
15 - W - Discard symbols with curved and straight segments (43)
33 - R - Remove the alphabet's twentieth letter (33)
13 - O - Swap each pair of letters (21)
6 - U - Keep just the first occurrences (27)
16 - G - Reverse the string (16)
9 - H - Expunge characters at prime indices (31)
18 - T - Collapse doubled letters (22)

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