Rules game - Jack_Ian triumphs

[Sentran]

Was this seriously an intended word, or was it one you ferreted out after the fact when you got caught forgetting the word?
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

Wait! BUZZ
wouldn't it have to be forwards after the words are written backwards?
(I'm confused)
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jack_Ian]

I play Scrabble a lot, so I know quite a few obscure words.
I understand your confusion Sentran. This is why I buzzed before, but then I saw that the published rule had to agree with previous rules. So the word must be written backwards in whatever you see in the posting.

[3iff]

Thanks for keeping going...

I see it as, after the rule is published, the 7 letter word must still appear backwards (as it does)...so buzz declined.

I'm having a frustratingly difficult morning. Nothing has gone right yet!

[DMTsurel]

os tes reveN ?srettel (nairadeceba) setamitlunepetnaerP

[DMTsurel]

And in English: Don't use the letter W.

[3iff]

Is there a 7 letter word hidden in there?

[DMTsurel]

versets

[Sentran]

(!ah) esu emirp eriuqer retrohs-yran rettel-detnuoC
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[Jack_Ian]

"Counted-letter nary-shorter require use (ah!)"

Could I have that in English please?

[3iff]

You missed 'prime' which I think means words must be prime numbers of letters...Sentran will correct me if I'm wrong. It's getting harder to comprehend the rules though.

Spotted the 7 letter word straight away (for a change)

[Jack_Ian]

"Counted-letter nary-shorter require prime use (ah!)"

Forgot a word. Still makes no sense to me though.

[Jack_Ian]

If the restriction just states to use words of prime length, then how is that different from the first rule of this round?

[3iff]

Ooh...yes.

I have a list of rules (in short form on paper) and I missed the first rule from DMT and squeezed it on the top of the page...and then missed it when I tried to verify the rule from Sentran.

So, Sentran, we'll need an English version of your rule.

[Jack_Ian]

I thought it might mean that each letter must be used a prime number of times, but T is used 4 times.

[3iff]

We'll have to wait for the cleartext explanation...

[Sentran]

The letter-count needs to be prime, as well. My rule has 41 letters.
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[Jack_Ian]

Buzz

paraphrased...
Counted-letter never-a-shorter require prime use (ah!)

How does your rule mean that?
If I could somehow get my head around it I would let it slip, but your explanation as to what it means seems arbitrary, based on the fact that it contains the words "counted-letter" and "prime use"

The more likely meaning of that, if it meant anything at all, would be that each letter must be used a prime number of times.
Since you must obey the strictest interpretation of your rule, I'm buzzing it.

Also the content in the brackets is supposed to be a clarification. Admittedly previous "clarifications" were somewhat tenuous, but "Ah" doesn't even make any attempt to clarify anything.

[Sentran]

To be fair, you failed to reverse AH in every one of your posts. It was a HA!
If the buzz is upheld, I will go out proudly.
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Sentran
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[Jack_Ian]

If it said "(letter-total) Require prime use of", then it would work.
There really was no need to have such a twisted construction.

[Jack_Ian]

[Jack_Ian]

Upon checking "reprime" is not an accepted word, so my version is not quite there either, but at least it's somewhat understandable.

[Sentran]

My final defense of my rule:
Nary-shorter was a poor choice, but I was having trouble incorporating the 7-letter word into the post. It would have made more sense if the rule was restricting length, not by letter count. As I said, I'm fine with being buzzed for that and wish the remaining two players a good game.
The (ha!) "clarification" was intended as "I did it!" In other words, I felt that I had followed all of the rules. Arguable not a clarification, but some of the others have been as questionable.
Finally, I felt that the combination of counted-letter and require prime use, combined with the contextual clue given by the letter count, would make the rule's restriction evident. I feel there were other rules this round that were easily as confusing if not more, and they were not buzzed for being nearly incomprehensible. Such is the nature of the game.
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[Jack_Ian]

The Ah/Ha thing was all my fault. I accept that.

While I agree that the rules were getting difficult to comprehend, they did actually explain what needed to be done. In the end though it's a judgement call that needs the Ref's input.
For the moment I will assume that your rule stands and behave accordingly.

[Jack_Ian]

ni tes (yenom gnidlof nettogebsim) ycnerruc-demaN

[3iff]

The Sentran buzz...

While his rule is borderline comprehensible...I'm reluctant to buzz it...so I won't. I was tempted though.

Jack_Ian...I have no idea what your rule means (either) and I can't see the 7 letter word.

[Jack_Ian]

Named-currency set in. (i.e. Yen in this case)
tenfold = 7-letter word.

[3iff]

Thanks. I saw enfold but didn't expand it properly!

[Jack_Ian]

I'm actually happy my buzz was not upheld. It's becoming very difficult to comply with everything and I had invested a considerable amount of time into constructing that last rule.
It would have been a shame to have wasted all that effort.

[3iff]

Glad I've done something right then. However, it is important that rules have some relevance to what they are trying to say...otherwise we'll be ending up with some random words that claim to be a rule.

[Sentran]

If yen was your choice of currency, should it be backwards not forwards? I'm asking so that I don't make a mistake if/when it comes back around to me.
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[Jack_Ian]

Your currency should be written into the rule. I guess it's open to interpretation, since I didn't specify exactly how, but when nothing else is specified, forward, readable and in consecutive letters would be assumed.
I'm sure that's the standard I'll be held to.
Feel free to take a risk if you think you can defend it.

[DMTsurel]

(?iS) !eno – noitazilitU :derebmun-nairadeceba-ylhtneetrihT

[DMTsurel]

Rule: use the letter M once.
Reverse word: ionones
Currency: mun

[DMTsurel]

The letter M should be used once and only once, obviously.

[3iff]

DMT Thanks for the details...I would not have found them.

The currency rule is a new one, not bound by previous rules so could have been forwards or backwards...in this case it's forwards. So, assuming it's not something obscure then I have a chance of finding it.

[Jack_Ian]

[Jack_Ian]

[3iff]

It's currently debatable whether some of the words used recently are English...

I would suggest that rules need to be predominantly in English, an occasional non-English word is acceptable. We'll only know when there's a buzz.

[DMTsurel]

I used "si" only because it is a commonly used word, and I was sure everyone would understand its meaning from the context. You clearly had no problem identifying it as a Spanish word, and not as a word in Icelandic or Turkish.