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[3iff]

My PM just says that you, as the recipient of the note, will get a message that says that you believe my target is a townie.

I suspect your concern is over the word 'believe'. According to what I understand about the messaging, if Amb were mafia then you couldn't have got a message (from me, anyway). As there's now been a mafia recruit, it's very possible that this particular message/confirmation is no longer relevant.

Remember, that someone else got a similar message about rm and he turned out to be town, so I hope that's proof enough to show that at the time they were sent, the messages were true and genuine.

[Sentran]

3iff's claim sounds plausible. In fact, very plausible. The Enhancer would need to have multiple roles that could be enhanced, else the power be useless. 3-4 seems like a reasonable number of potential targets for this (on the town side). By my count, 3iff, Lucresia, Perpentach and Amb all have claimed powers that would benefit from the Enhancer ability. Spyrl could have as well, on the side of the Mafia. Let's hope not.
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That leaves Amb and isautekisa at the top of my scummy list. Amb has pulled off some brilliant plays in the past, including hammering himself when he was the Godfather to try to take the heat off of his foolish partner (me). I know that he would be an asset to the Mafia, but there's one major timing issue with that. The night 3 kill was blocked (countered, whatever), so night 2 was the only time the Mafia could have recruited. That means that Amb would not have been able to kick UM on day 3 if he'd been recruited. We can play the "what if" game all day long about whether there was the chance for Spyrl to recruit and keep the recruit's power intact, but it's pure supposition. Let's work on what little we know.
Vote: isautekisa
As the least forthcoming of any player left in the game, I am happy to go with the lurker lynch. If he flips town, I'll most likely be going hard and fast after Amb tomorrow.

P.S. My note said believe as well, and I worried for a few days whether it could have been a false message. That was the major reason I did not come forward with the information sooner.
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[Zag]

Official vote count for the new page.

Day 6: 8 alive, 5 to lynch

[Amb]

Wait, if the message ability was used on me, why didn't I get one? *rereading the claim*

[Amb]

Reading 3iff

[Amb]

And I think I just figured out what was going on with Jedo?

Remember when I kept saying bgg was a MUCH better target? Thats when Jedo must have presumed I was a cop! Given his innocence to cops, that explains why I am still alive. Many thanks to a 3iff quote for me seeing that and clicking to their game plan.

[Amb]

Anyway, I have been through my inbox. I dont have any messages from Zag. So unless I deleted it and forgot about it, 3iff was either blocked that night or lying. I dont know what to believe in this regard, and I think we need to get an answer to this. Did anyone block 3iff on N2, or will I need to lynch myself to resolve this just a little? I genuinely believe we are hunting 1 scum now, and we can afford a mislynch. Its probably better to be me than 3iff, but I think I can help much more in an end game scenario that either 3iff or Perpentech right now.

[Amb]

Wow, I messed that up completely. ANOTHER player gets the message. So who got the message about me?

[Sentran]

[Lifeinmomland]

Still waffling on where to put my vote. Still reading the thread just can't seem to make a decision I am sure of.

Amb... made several poor calls... but that seems to have been the true theme of this game... from henceforth it will be the BAD CALLS MAFIA
I think I must consider the possibility here of a conditional day vig. In which case he would be town? The BS with the Jedo "kick" feels stinky to me. Another possibility occurred to me (as I was typing so it isn't necessarily well thought out)... what if after his kicks he has a 1 night kill. He did mention he has a caveat to his role he would not share.

MNO... something is sitting wrong with me about the role-blocks here. If he was not role-blocked on the night I listened for Jedo... and I was thwarted by Jedo's GF ability... then who was blocked? I still have noted though... even after the alleged recruitment night he has been on mafia lynches... but I am not sure how much weight to put on that.

Isa... if Sentran is telling the truth... and Perp as well... then Isa can't be the recruit. Perp is as cleared as it possible be... and he said he was attacked last night. Isa was RBed by Sentran (again if he is telling the truth).

3iff not really feeling scum here. Feels wrong to me... Have you posted what people you targeted what night? We might be able to glean something useful from that... maybe. It's a long shot.

Luc... saved rm on a night after recruitment night. Still not sure here... after reading her take on things I can see how she would feel she should be cleared... and it is a bit WIFOM to suspect her still... but there ya go...

Sentran... this one presents a challenge for me. I don't feel his play has been scummy. I have seem this same type of play in each game I have been in with him. But I am unsure of him. I think a reread of him is needed. Living with him I can tell you... TRICKSY HOBBIT!

Perp... my read on timing suggests he is the only person beside myself I can count as town for sure. Due to my paranoid nature I still will take him with a grain of salt...
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[Amb]

I havent really made that many poor calls. I got deception wrong for obvious reasons, I got UM wrong for obvious reasons, and I just then thought 3iff had me pegged incorrectly as scum.

While I was changing my mind about LiML, her repeated trying to use the bait I laid for scum by 'kicking' Jedo makes me think she just simply wants to use it as I intended.

[Sentran]

Amb, you forgot to include me in that trap for providing the info about the "false kick". Not to mention MNO, who was the first to call you a liar.
I guess you caught us. Everybody BUT Amb is obviously scum.
[Please note that the previous line was intended for exaggerated dramatic effect, and was not actually indicative of Sentran's current beliefs]
Oh, and Unvote pending more discussion.
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[Perpentach]

Paranoia is actually a benefit in this game. We all have powers, so we could all be role blocking each other somehow. Amb, about your trap, it seems very poorly laid. I'm not accusing you of scum, I'm just saying that you caught far too many people for them all to be scum. Also, in the death message Zag didn't say, "You've kicked too many times." He said, "That's enough votes." I'm not sure if this means that you could have kicked again, so I'm just going to say, to all players, it would be better to ignore Amb's trap.

[Amb]

But Sentran, you only presented the 'facts', you didnt actually make a comment on them at all. How can you possibly be scum.

Ok, I admit my plan to try and harpoon the scum with bait backfired. I didn't expect townies who should be second guessing themselves to attack it. I expected mafia to try shove it as an easy lynch. Of course they might have, but I dont know if they did or not.

Anyway, 3iff is probably a bad lynch right now. But he is only at 2 votes now. I'd have to say im in total indecision right now.

[3iff]

A quick post following another busy night's chatter.

According to events, I don't believe Amb can be scum...

My second message (targetting Amb and winding up with Lucresia) occurred on night 2. Had Amb been mafia then no message would have been sent. Then Amb uses his kick on day 3 (vs UM). Had he been the recruit then he wouldn't have had the kick ability.

So, that clears Amb as mafia...unless other shenanigans are going on... (I wish I knew what was going on).

So, Unvote and I too join the ranks of the thoroughly confused.

[3iff]

One thing with my messages (2 only were sent). The message gets sent if the target is NOT mafia. The recipient can by anyone (town or mafia). Whether a mafia recipient would want to disclose the message is something else...but Sentran and Lucresia did disclose messages received...and they were the right targets and times(rm/N1 and Amb/N2). Remember the recruit occurred N2 (possibly/probably the lst event of the night?).

Amb continues to draw attention to himself by his bizarre plays...these kick events. Now I'm under the impression that he's a good player of mafia so these actions are not accidental. The possible reasons for these activities are what has made me suspicious of him throughout the game.

Rereading Jedo's ISO, he seemed determined to get Liml and Sentran lynched, keeping on with the suggestion that they were mafia. For those that turned out to be real mafia, both bgg and Garou were targetted by him at some stage but he was very reluctant to see bgg lynched. Garou was undefendable. He also strongly defended Deception and Amb for being town (trying to get some town-like credentials?). Jedo barely mentions Isa.

The only person I have no read on is Isa almost entirely due to the lack of posts. However, he too seems convinced that Sentran is scum with votes late in the game. Early on it was consistent votes on MNO. There's also no details on his power (Mobile App Developer) which could pretty much do anything.

For those reasons, Vote: Isa

[Lucresia]

Unvote. Zag can we prod isa?
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[Sentran]

I know I've been trying to lead a lynch today, but I think it's a valid way to get information. So far it appears to be working. First, my opinion on players and their chance to be scum, based upon timing. I'll rate from least scummy to most scummy.
Sentran: Claimed town roleblocker early in the game, and nobody has refuted that fact. The Godfather has been after him almost all game. Besides, I KNOW that he is town.
Perp: He claims that he escaped death last night, and his role was confirmed by LIML after night 2. Unless the two of them are in cahoots, he is about as town as you can be at this point in the game.
LIML: Another who has been persecuted since the beginning by the GF. Her role has yielded information that was confirmed by the target, even after night 2. Very little chance of being scum.
Amb: He kicked on Day 3, and the scum had to have recruited on night 2 based on Spyrl's role description. Due to Zag's post and the fact that the GF has been caught, I believe him to be Joseph, not Stalin. Little chance that he's scum.
Lucresia: Claimed that she protected rm night 3. All we know for sure is that rm did not die, and that he flipped town later. If she's lying about the protection, then there could indeed have been a second recruitment opportunity. I don't even want to take my thinking along that line yet, because that would destroy all of my other reasoning. She's not completely clear, at any rate.
3iff: The messages could have been a limited number of uses (and therefore done on night 2), or he could have been recruited. He's not cleared yet.
isautekisa: Lurker! His posts to date total 25, and even the usually quiet MNO is at more than 3 times that. Still, since I blocked him last night, he could not have blocked another (if he was in fact a roleblocker). Therefore, if he's not a roleblocker, that means that MNO is lying.
MNO: He's the only other player that has mentioned roleblocks, and if he IS town, than an inordinate number of blocks were levied against the tracker. I realize that his ability could be seen as more dangerous than some of the known powers (such as LIML or my own), but I believe that if we had a second blocker, they would try blocking others instead of the tracker on 3 of the last 4 nights. Also, given that he proved the link between bgg and Spyrl, it would have been wise for the mafia to stop him from doing that to someone else. He is currently in the lead for scummy behavior.

[MNOWAX]

[Sentran]

Correction to my last post...
Lucresia claimed that she protected rm on night 4, and he confirmed that he was attacked and protected that night. She moves down on my scum-meter to just between LIML and Amb.
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[Zag]

[Amb]

Regarding lynching MNOWAX, I think he could be a good lynch, but probably not a great lynch. I think we would be much better lynching:
1. Perpentach for low posting
2. Isautikeisa for low posting
or
3. LiML for being on the attack of Jedo as it smacks of a distancing technique

None of them line up great. But they are better than the possible lynches of MNO or 3iff.

The only problem I see with following this is that all three are newbs and I highly doubt the mafia recruited newbs. That would make me go back toward MNO or possibly even Lucresia. LiML is sorta leaving the newb category, and the shifts of attitude do still make me suspicious of her.

When all is said and done, I would rather lynch LiML than any other living player right now.

Vote LifeInMafiaLand

[Amb]

Also I reread each player in the game. There are players that give me vibes, but LiML is by and far the strongest.

[isauteikisa]

Sorry. Completely forgot about the game this weekend. I'll go ahead and claim now, and will try to be back with a post later.

I am Mobile App Developer: Time Waster. Sentran had me right on as a roleblocker... which is also why I've been aggro towards him. I was assuming that there couldn't be two town aligned roleblockers, but it could make sense in an all-powers game. Still not certain... actually not certain about any of this (I've guessed wrong on what most people are re: roles this game).
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[Lucresia]

Vote: isauteikisa

I think you're mafia roleblocker. If not, we can lynch Sentran tomorrow.[/b]
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[3iff]

Well, there have been duplicated powers that appear to be both town (day end) assuming Amb is town...and powers on opposite sides (truth: 3iff original and Garou for anti-truth).

I suppose it's possible that town might have 2 role blockers but wouldn't that be too powerful for town?

I leave it for the more experienced players to pass comment.

[Sentran]

Unvote, Vote: Isautekisa
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[Amb]

Dayenders are one thing. Roleblockers another.

Unvote; Vote Isautikisa

[Sentran]

I suppose it is possible that there are 2 town roleblockers, but it is highly unlikely. Someone is obviously lying about something, and the most likely candidates are isa, MNO, or myself. If I was lying, I think someone would have caught me by now. MNO could be lying about being blocked so much, but to what end? Isa is the most likely candidate to be lying, and has been stated already, if he flips town I'll be lynched tomorrow.

I think I may have made a mistake. With the number of players still in the game, and the amount of potential misinformation in circulation, it is still quite possible that we have more than one mafia member remaining.
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[Amb]

I would have to say, if there WERE two mafia alive, then two town roleblockers would also be possible. A five strong mafia, with the ability to recruit after a lynch would be a very badly balanced game. I think Zag would know this, and go with 4 and 1. If we got unlucky enough with roles, then 4 and 2 could have happened - but I think we should discount that for now. In all likelihood we hunt one scum.

[MNOWAX]

I'm fine with Kisa lynching, but if (s)he flips town, Sentran you're next

Unvote, Vote: Isautekisa.
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[Amb]

Unless I count wrongly, thats lynch. I suppose I should kick just to make people go rabid again? Nah, it's just too painful to keep flogging the dead horse expecting a different result.

[Perpentach]

If Isa flips scum, but the game doesn't end, I wonder who we should vote for. Just putting it out there.

[Zag]

Official vote count for the lynching

Day 6: 8 alive, 5 to lynch

[Perpentach]

I don't understand. Is it really night again? Or did we win?

[Zag]

Sorry, Perp. For extra drama, I put that part in spoilered text. Highlight it to see it. The game is still afoot!

Almost everyone wakes up the following morning. Rolling out of bed (because he was a little too dead to stand on his own) is Sentran. His white personnel card reads

[Sentran]

See? Town the WHOLE time!
Curses to the scum, and GO TOWN!
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[isauteikisa]

BAH! Go scum!
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[Perpentach]

No, I got the spoilered text, I just didn't know if it was a joke.

[Amb]

Well, for what its worth, I am sorry Sentran. I wish we knew who you blocked last night (not that a corpse can say) because that would clear the person.

I'm somewhat in disbelief that this game continues. We have had a freaking awesome run of mafia lynches, and surely this time we only have to find the recruit. I highly doubt that the roleblocker would have been town at the start given the roles so far.

We have 3iff alive, LiML, Lucresia, MNO, Perpentech and of course Me. So from my perspective: All living were innocent at the start. Perpentech would be a MASSIVE risk for mafia to recruit due to his newbieness. They didn't and wouldnt recruit me, as they were in Jedo tying themselves to me too closely, and setting me up for a lynch. But I don't know of anyway of finding the last scum when they were innocent for a long time. I'd wager that the mafia might have gone for MNO given his track record. I'd wager that LiML's moping could be a scum trait as (if I remember rightly) it started happening after the recruit. I'd wager that the mafia might have recruited 3iff as a way of aplogizing to his first death. I think my bets are spread.

Of the living: LiML is my first choice. MNO is my second begrudgingly. But LiML is a relative newb. If they could have picked her, then they could have picked Perp who I personally want to clear. Its interesting that those two are the two not on Isaus list. And the behaviour toward Isau's lynch might be the best clue...