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jatill
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

1024 is a "powerful number" because 1024 is
1) expressed in simplest form (i.e. no leading 0's, etc),
2) can be represented as x^y, where x and y are integers, and
3) the number of characters in the number 1024 is the same as are the number of characters in x^y (i.e. 2^10 => 4 characters).

a) What is the highest powerful number?
b) What is the lowest powerful number?
c) What is the powerful number closest to 0?
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Zag
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:19 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

For the lowest, how about: 4^2 or 2^4 = 16

Of course, you probably should have said the lowest in absolute value. There are negative powerful numbers, I'm sure. (-27, for instance = (-3)^3, which, I think, is the largest negative powerful number.)
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bonanova
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

Zag, does your LPN candidate obey (3)? Maybe I don't understand (3).
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Trojan Horse
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:01 am    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

For the one closest to 0: .000001=1000^-2 (with 7 characters in each) is the best I've been able to come up with so far. (Assuming that's not cheating.)
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Zag
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Oh. I didn't read the rule carefully enough to realize we were supposed to count the caret. Of course, when you write it in normal math style, there isn't one.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

For the largest, I get 99856 (316^2).
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jatill
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Zag wrote:
For the lowest, how about: 4^2 or 2^4 = 16

Of course, you probably should have said the lowest in absolute value. There are negative powerful numbers, I'm sure. (-27, for instance = (-3)^3, which, I think, is the largest negative powerful number.)


By lowest I did mean most negative, otherwise it would have been the same as (c).

Edit: (a) and (b) are both unsolved. I don't actually know the answer for (c), but don't forget that .25 and 1/4 are valid numbers
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Trojan Horse
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:38 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

jatill wrote:
Edit: (a) and (b) are both unsolved.


Confused

Did you miss Jake2's answer, jatill? I'm going to defend him, and say that he got the best possible answer for (a). (Assuming that, in the expression x^y, both x and y must be written in "standard form", with no leading zeros.)

I think I could write out a full proof that Jake2 got the best possible answer. (No time to do it right now, though.)
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jatill
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Trojan Horse wrote:
jatill wrote:
Edit: (a) and (b) are both unsolved.


Confused

Did you miss Jake2's answer, jatill?


Nope, but I'm pretty sure there's a better one.
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Death Mage
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

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For the one closest to 0: .000001=1000^-2 (with 7 characters in each) is the best I've been able to come up with so far. (Assuming that's not cheating.)


Do decimal commas count?
-.00000001 = -10,000^-2
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jatill
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

Death Mage wrote:
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For the one closest to 0: .000001=1000^-2 (with 7 characters in each) is the best I've been able to come up with so far. (Assuming that's not cheating.)


Do decimal commas count?
-.00000001 = -10,000^-2


Commas don't count. The only characters that are legal would be 0-9, -, ., and / (for fractions).
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Trojan Horse
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

Oh, duh... [998001=(-999)^2]

I'm assuming, based on the last comment, that parentheses don't count. If they did count, we could do this: [9999800001=(-99999)^2]
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jatill
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

Trojan Horse wrote:
Oh, duh... [998001=(-999)^2]

I'm assuming, based on the last comment, that parentheses don't count. If they did count, we could do this: [9999800001=(-99999)^2]


You're on the right track, but you can do better. And you are right in assuming that parens are illegal.
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Trojan Horse
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

*sigh*

Probably still not the best, but [9998244=-3162^2] works.

I await your reply that there is still a better answer out there.
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jatill
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

You finally nailed part (a) Revenge most foul!
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