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Chaz
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: 41 Reply with quote

Huh. I think I just thought of something.

Did the fact that Becky's hands smelled somehow prevent a future event from happening?

Did the fact that Becky's hands smelled somehow prevent Becky from coming to harm?

(I'm thinking something like an animal that did not bite Becky's hands off because they smelled of feces... or something else along that line.)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: 42 Reply with quote

Ah - a good round of questions - exploring more of the surrounding situation

The place that they all were in -- was it dark? No
Were they trapped? By the purest definition of trapped, No. I prefer to think of it as a form of voluntary temporary confinement (this will make alot of sense later)
Were they trapped by someone (i.e. intentionally)? Not trapped, intentionally nor accidentally
Was there an accident? No an explosion? No

Was there some initial confusion Confusion wouldn't be the exact word I would use, but initial is correct (perhaps because of something else that Carl had said) No, which was cleared up when he said that Becky's hands smell? Something became "clear" nudge, nudge - afterwards, hence, that's what you are trying to solve Extreme Delectation

Were they all speaking in English? Yes

Huh. I think I just thought of something.

Did the fact that Becky's hands smelled somehow prevent a future event from happening? NO! Keep going...

Did the fact that Becky's hands smelled somehow prevent Becky from coming to harm? No

(I'm thinking something like an animal that did not bite Becky's hands off because they smelled of feces... or something else along that line.) Good thinking - but not what is taking place in this real life event
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: 43 Reply with quote

Did another event happen because Carl said that Becky's hands stunk that was a direct result of Becky being "relieved?"
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: 44 Reply with quote

Did another event happen because Carl said that Becky's hands stunk YES that was a direct result of Becky(I think you meant Amy being relieved) being "relieved?" Amy's relief came from a subsequent event happening

Maybe now is a good time to summarize:

Amy, Becky and Carl are together in some kind of confined space
Carl discovers Becky's hands smell, and shares his discovery "Ew, Becky, your hands smell like ----!"
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Amy is relieved
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: 45 Reply with quote

Icarus wrote:
Amy's relief came from a subsequent event happening

Did the subsequent event happen because Becky's hands smelled?
Did the subsequent event happen only because Carl said that Becky's hands smelled?
Did the subsequent event happen within 10 seconds of Carl making his statement? within 10 minutes? within the hour? by the end of the day? less than a month later?
Was the subsequent event an action on the part of Becky? on the part of Amy? on the part of Carl?

Was Amy worried because Becky's hands smelled, and relieved because Becky washed them after hearing they smelled?

Are they outdoors?
Is the confined space a cage?
Can they leave the confined area at any time?
Is the space confined by a physical barrier, or is there perhaps a physical reason they cannot leave the space (say, if they're on a ship)?
Is there a nonphysical reason they cannot leave (such as some kind of agreement to stay in the same place)?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: 46 Reply with quote

Did the subsequent event happen because Becky's hands smelled? YES!
Did the subsequent event happen only because Carl said that Becky's hands smelled? YES!!!
Did the subsequent event happen within 10 seconds of Carl making his statement? within 10 minutes? within the hour? by the end of the day? less than a month later? Between 10 seconds and 10 minutes
Was the subsequent event an action on the part of Becky? Saying No would be misleading, so lets say the Final event - YES! on the part of Amy? No on the part of Carl? No

Was Amy worried because Becky's hands smelled NO!, and relieved because Becky washed them after hearing they smelled? Yesish / Noish

Are they outdoors? Yes
Is the confined space a cage? No
Can they leave the confined area at any time? Yes they can leave, but not any time
Is the space confined by a physical barrier, Best answer here is Yes or is there perhaps a physical reason they cannot leave the space (say, if they're on a ship)? YES!, but not a ship
Is there a nonphysical reason they cannot leave (such as some kind of agreement to stay in the same place)? No. There is a real physical reason confined best describes the situation[/b]
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: 47 Reply with quote

Did Becky wash her hands?
If yes... Did Becky washing her hands lift the confinement?
If no... Did "whatever Becky did when after Carl said that her hands stunk" lift the confinement?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject: 48 Reply with quote

Did Becky wash her hands? If you are asking in the sense of using a sink with running water and soap - NO!
If yes... Did Becky washing her hands lift the confinement? No. The fact the hands were dirty did not lead to, nor require being "confined"
If no... Did "whatever Becky did when after Carl said that her hands stunk" lift the confinement? No

Some advice - review some of the previous questions, and for the ones that weren't answered with a simple yes/no, especially the ones I try to clarify - explore those a bit more
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: 49 Reply with quote

Are they ... (These are not mutually exclusive.)
... in a car? ... in a boat? ... in an airplane? ... in a spaceship? ... in a building? ... in a cave? in an air pocket under water (perhaps in a cave, perhaps not)? ... in a man-made structure?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: 50 Reply with quote

Are they ... (These are not mutually exclusive.)


... in a car? ... in a boat? ... in an airplane? ... in a spaceship? ... in a building? ... in a cave? in an air pocket under water (perhaps in a cave, perhaps not)? ... in a man-made structure?in a car - SUV specifically
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: 51 Reply with quote

Had one of them recently had surgery?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: 52 Reply with quote

Had one of them recently had surgery?no

go back through previous ambiguous answers. Post 37 and 42, for example, off the top of my head.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: 53 Reply with quote

Were they afraid of something outside the car?
Had they been camping?
Was it a bear? some other dangerous animal?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: 54 Reply with quote

Were they afraid of something outside the car? No
Had they been camping? No
Was it a bear? No some other dangerous animal? No
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: 55 Reply with quote

Did Becky know that her hands smelled before Carl told her?
Did Carl's remark inspire a "eureka" moment in one of the three?
Did Amy take any action as a result of hearing Carl's remark?
Is Carl related to Amy and Becky? Is he Becky's brother/Amy's son?
Was there a physical danger that Amy was worried about? If yes, did it come from inside the car? Outside the car?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:27 am    Post subject: 56 Reply with quote

Did Becky know that her hands smelled before Carl told her? Not really important, but since it's a 9 year old, let's say yes
Did Carl's remark inspire a "eureka" moment in one of the three? Yes - stretching it a bit
Did Amy take any action as a result of hearing Carl's remark? Kinda sorta Yes
Is Carl related to Amy and Becky? Yes Is he Becky's brother/Amy's son? Yes
Was there a physical danger that Amy was worried about? No If yes, did it come from inside the car? Outside the car? No dangers at all
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:43 am    Post subject: 57 Reply with quote

Was the car moving? If so, was Amy driving?
If so, is the reason they were driving important?

Did Carl's remark give Becky any information she had not previously had? (perhaps she was unaware that Carl knew the word "s---") Did it trigger her to make a connection she had not previously made?
Repeat above questions for Amy.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: 58 Reply with quote

Was the car moving? Yes If so, was Amy driving? YES! Amy was in the drivers seat!
If so, is the reason they were driving important? No

Did Carl's remark give Becky any information she had not previously had?Yesish, but Becky isn't the one the information helped, and not the conclusion you are drawing (perhaps she was unaware that Carl knew the word "s---")No - not relevant Did it trigger her to make a connection she had not previously made? Not exactly
Repeat above questions for Amy.I'm gonna reprhase how I'm interpreting - Did Carls remark trigger Amy to make a connection she had not previously made? Yesish. But I wouldn't exactly say connection
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:02 am    Post subject: 59 Reply with quote

Ooh.

Did Becky's stinky hands inspire Amy to pull off the road, and there was a horrible accident that they would otherwise have been mangled in?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: 60 Reply with quote

Ooh.

Did Becky's stinky hands inspire Amy to pull off the road, and there was a horrible accident that they would otherwise have been mangled in?ala Final Destination 2? No. Nothing diabolical like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: 61 Reply with quote

Did Becky's stinky hands cause Amy to stop driving? Does it matter?
Did Becky make a phone call, or in some other way inquire, to a fourth person about the source of the smell?
Did Becky ask Amy about the smell?
Did Becky ask Carl about the smell?
Was Amy worried that the smell might be coming from some other source? (seems like I asked this one once.)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: 62 Reply with quote

Did Becky's stinky hands cause Amy to stop driving? No Does it matter? No
Did Becky make a phone call, or in some other way inquire, to a fourth person about the source of the smell? No
Did Becky ask Amy about the smell? No
Did Becky ask Carl about the smell? No
Was Amy worried that the smell might be coming from some other source? (seems like I asked this one once.) No

Chaz, I am not sure if it was better to answer No, or Not applicable. I chose No, but NA applies to all the above questions as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: 63 Reply with quote

Was Amy aware of the smell before Carl said something?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: 64 Reply with quote

Was Amy aware of the smell before Carl said something?NO! - Amy was NOT aware of the smell before getting in the car either
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: 65 Reply with quote

Can Amy smell (does she lack the ability to smell)?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:22 pm    Post subject: 66 Reply with quote

Can Amy smell Yes (does she lack the ability to smell)? Amy's sense of smell is just fine
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: 67 Reply with quote

Did Becky poop in the SUV? In her pants?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: 68 Reply with quote

Had Becky not pooped for a long time prior to this poop?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: 69 Reply with quote

Does Becky have any sort of handicap? (No, not golf)
Other than a temporary bowel control issue, is Becky a normal 9 year old?
Is the father (of Becky, Carl, or both) at all relevant?
Was Amy lost before Carl made his statement? Did she figure out where she was, and that was why she was relieved?
Was there an issue related to the car which became resolved after Carl's statement?
Is the type of car important? (I think you said it was an SUV; right?)
Is the location where they are driving important?
Is the terrain on which they are driving important?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: 70 Reply with quote

Did Becky poop in the SUV? No In her pants? No

Had Becky not pooped for a long time prior to this poop? No

Does Becky have any sort of handicap? (No, not golf) No handicap at all - just your typical 9 year old girl who sometimes forgets to do things- she didn't wash her hands in the house
Other than a temporary bowel control issue, is Becky a normal 9 year old? Becky is normal, and I don't think I said she had an issue with bowel control
Is the father (of Becky, Carl, or both) at all relevant? I was in the car, front passenger seat - but since it's a 9 year old girl, she would have been in the back seat anyway
Was Amy lost before Carl made his statement? No - Amy wasn't lost, but good choice of words Did she figure out where she was, and that was why she was relieved? No
Was there an issue related to the car which became resolved after Carl's statement? Something along this line, but not specifically an issue related to the car, like engine trouble
Is the type of car important? (I think you said it was an SUV; right?) If I say Yes outright, then it is misleading - so let's say it had to be a vehicle that had more than 1 row of seats
Is the location where they are driving important? No
Is the terrain on which they are driving important? No

To help clear things up, the fact the smell was due to poop is only important in the fact it had to be an unpleaseant smell. If the smell was something pleasant, strong or not, the end result wouldn't have occured


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: 71 Reply with quote

Did Amy (or anyone) open the windows because of the smell?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: 72 Reply with quote

Did Amy think that it was you or her who may have stunk?
I think this should be no, because you said no to Amy thinking the smell had a different source.

I'm so confused right now. =D

Did Carl's statement alter the course which the vehicle would otherwise have taken had Becky's hands not smelled?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: 73 Reply with quote

Did Amy (or anyone) open the windows because of the smell?Not relevant - No

I amended one of my previous answers.

Was Amy lost before Carl made his statement? No - Amy wasn't lost, but good choice of words
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: 74 Reply with quote

Did Becky's smelly hands prompt Carl to change seats?
Did the "...smells like sh__" remark remind Amy of something?
Did you do anything relevant?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: 75 Reply with quote

Did Amy think that it was you or her who may have stunk? No
I think this should be no, because you said no to Amy thinking the smell had a different source.

I'm so confused right now. =D It will all makes sense - trust me

Did Carl's statement alter the course which the vehicle would otherwise have taken had Becky's hands not smelled? No
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: 76 Reply with quote

Would Amy have been "relieved" had Becky's hands never smelled in the first place?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: 77 Reply with quote

Did Becky's smelly hands prompt Carl to change seats? No - but you are making good connections here seating has something to do with it
Did the "...smells like sh__" remark remind Amy of something? No
Did you do anything relevant? ARe you married? Does the husband ever do anything relevant Extreme Delectation just kidding - Not sure how to answer this yes or no - Amy and I both had the same reaction/outcome hearing about the smell
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: 78 Reply with quote

Would Amy have been "relieved" had Becky's hands never smelled in the first place? Very good question!!. Let's say timing is everything. Eventually Amy would have... I can't say more without giving away too much now
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: 79 Reply with quote

Did the remark prompt you to open the glove box? perhaps to retrieve a wet wipe, napkin, antibacterial lotion?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:00 pm    Post subject: 80 Reply with quote

Was anyone else in the vehicle besides the four mentioned people?
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