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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

I had a puzzle in mind...

Part 1) "What property do USA, Russia and Azerbaijan have, that no other country has?"

It turns out many other countries DO have this property, but nowhere near as significantly as these 3...

When I get a correct answer to this, I'll post Part 2, which is far more interesting...
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Icarus
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

Not sure if this is the "property" you were going for, but first to my mind would be population of Armenians
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nopants
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

Are they all non-contiguous?
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:44 pm    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

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Are they all non-contiguous?


Indeed they are, and this is very close to what I was looking for, but lots of countries are non-contiguous - eg, UK has Northern Ireland, Turkey spans 2 continents even, Italy has Sardinia and Sicily etc etc.

The answer I was looking for was "countries where you can travel by land to another part of the country, but have to pass through another country to do so" I thought there were only the three. How wrong I was!

Part 2) Where am I, such that I live in a country, but to travel by land to the main part of my country, I must pass through a foreign country, enter my own country again, and pass through that foreign country again before I reach my destination?

To clarify, I live in country 'A', so must travel 'A'->'B'->'A'->'B'->'A'. Nothing to do with road/rail routes or terrain/tides etc. This is genuinely the case for residents of this place.
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Nsof
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Chile?
I recall traveling there i had to cross many times to Argentina
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

Nope. This transit combination is absolutely unavoidable...
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Pigboy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Hmmm.. is it in South East Asia? Feels like there's a few places like that out there
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Zag
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

I asked my daughter, and she was convinced that the answer is Russia. She says that in around Uzbekistan there are little patches that are still considered to be part of Russia even though they aren't connected to it. I don't see how any of those, however, would require the 4 border crossings.
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Pigboy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

yeah, the difficulty is that they are essential. Even in a country with 3 non-contiguos parts this would not be necessary. One model which fits this description looks like concentric circles, but this cannot be, can it?
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Zag
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

I doubt it. It must be a peninsula somewhere. I am assuming that he means "staying on land."
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Zag
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

I'll bet that the solution involves an Embassy, which technically belongs to the other country. If, for instance, there were a Canadian Embassy in Alaska, and within that embassy there were some non-embassy land that belongs to the U.S. then we would have the situation described. You could be on the U.S. portion, you'd have to go through Embassy land (Canadian sovereign) to get to the main part of Alaska, then through Canada to get to mainland U.S.

I don't know if there is such a place, though.
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

Asia is the correct continent. No peninsulas or embassies or tricks.

It has a genuine resident population, and 'an area of <1 hectare' (according to wiki)
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Dented Ford
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:52 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

Sounds like some of the border vagaries of Saudi Arabia/United Arab Emirate states. Could it be one of the little ones like Ras Al Kaimah?
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

Much nearer the himalayas than that...

Think what the correct name is for a piece of a country that's completely within another country, then try wikipedia.
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:15 am    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

Investigating DF's suggestion, I find there is a region that is nearly as complex, called Nahwa, which is a part of Sharjah (in the UAE).
This area is within an area belonging to Oman. This Oman owned area is itself completely within Sharjah!

The case I found is just one step more comlex... like having an Oman owned area within Nahwa.

I was going to put this in the 'Off-Topic -> What amazed you today' thread, but thought it worth throwing out for you guys to test your investigative skills.
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groza528
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

PuzzleScot wrote:
Think what the correct name is for a piece of a country that's completely within another country, then try wikipedia.


A little bit of googling got me there. "The largest Indian exclave, Balapara Khagrabari, surrounds a Bangladeshi exclave, Upanchowki Bhajni, which itself surrounds an Indian exclave called Dahala Khagrabari, of less than one hectare."
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

Well done Groza.

I learned about that region on Wiki, where there is even a link to an old map of the area. Googling on the name of the region takes you to proof that the setup still exists today.

Well I thought it was amazing...
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