LTP: Where have I heard that before.....

[Icarus]

So now we have determined he is a rock singer, and they are record/singer producers, and there was a vague reference to money somehow being invovled, but not between producer/artist.

Is mad the best word to use, versus offended? Were the lyrics offensive?

Are they his producer?
Is he represented by another label? Is he an independant? Are they trying to get him to sign with their label?
Did they previously try to get him to sign with them?
Is there an attorney involved?
Did they hire an attorney?
Do they have a different rock artist that they are trying to promote?

Did they have an opportunity to sign him as their client, and the deal didn't go through?

Is he now a huge success, and they are mad because they are not benefiting from the rewards of his success?

[Scurra]

Well I remember a story about a musician who was tied to a deal with a record company which he couldn't get out of, so he submitted them an album of something utterly absurd music (heavy metal when he was a country singer or something) with the argument that the contract didn't say what sort of music the album should be, which sounds as though it would fit this bill.

But I can't remember who the hell it was or any more of the details! (Gah. I'm usually good at this sort of detail too.)
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[dethwing]

So now we have determined he is a rock singer, and they are record/singer producers, and there was a vague reference to money somehow being invovled, but not between producer/artist. Hmm. If I said that, it was perhaps in error. Money is involved between producer-artist

Is mad the best word to use, versus offended? Were the lyrics offensive? Mad is better than Offended. Lyircs not offensive.

Are they his producer? No
Is he represented by another label? Yes Is he an independant? *Checks*.... No Are they trying to get him to sign with their label? No
Did they previously try to get him to sign with them? Yes
Is there an attorney involved? Yes
Did they hire an attorney? Yes
Do they have a different rock artist that they are trying to promote? Irr

Did they have an opportunity to sign him as their client, Yes... and the deal didn't go through? But no

Well I remember a story about a musician who was tied to a deal with a record company which he couldn't get out of, so he submitted them an album of something utterly absurd music (heavy metal when he was a country singer or something) with the argument that the contract didn't say what sort of music the album should be, which sounds as though it would fit this bill. Nope

But I can't remember who the hell it was or any more of the details! (Gah. I'm usually good at this sort of detail too.)[/i]

[Zag]

Had the producers recorded some song once, found it unacceptable for some reason, and asked him to re-record it with certain changes. But he failed to make the changes and that made people mad?

Did he have legal rights to the song he was playing and singing? Did "they"?

[dethwing]

Had the producers recorded some song once, found it unacceptable for some reason, and asked him to re-record it with certain changes. But he failed to make the changes and that made people mad? No

Did he have legal rights to the song he was playing and singing? Yes Did "they"? Noish

[Icarus]

[dethwing]

This seems to imply you are using a real life scenario? Oops. Yes Is this a real life artist? Yes

Is it Neil Young? No

If so, then I believe what I remember hearing, to address what I believe Scurra was recalling - Neil Young was under contract to deliver a quantity of albums to his then label/producers. He didn't like the deal he was under, so that was his "infamous" synthizer days album. Legally he fullfilled his requirement, but I think anyone who knows Neil Youngs music would agree that was the worst recording he has ever made.

Still not it

[L'lanmal]

Did the producers expect him to sound different?

... because they expected him to sing a different song?
... because of the equipment he was using?
... because of the settings on equipment (equalizer, etc.)

Was he singing a song?
Was the ultimate purpose of his singing to entertain? To make money? Other? (I'm hoping it's Other.)

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Were "They" the Mythbusters? Were "they" trying to shatter glass with sound?

Did "He" convince "they" to buy something that they believed would enhance his sound?

Did "they" want "he" to sound like someone other then "he"mself? (By not sounding different, was he more recognizable as himself?)

[dethwing]

Did the producers expect him to sound different? Yes

... because they expected him to sing a different song? Yes
... because of the equipment he was using? No
... because of the settings on equipment (equalizer, etc.) No

Was he singing a song? When?
Was the ultimate purpose of his singing to entertain? To make money? Having never met the man, I wouldn't know. I guess it's both these Other? (I'm hoping it's Other.) Not sure what oter purpose there is

[Icarus]

You answered both of these earlier questions as irrevelant, so I'm sure once I see the answer it will make sense, but for now, because they are irrelevant, then I can/should rule out any scenario involving a competition, concert, etc?

[dethwing]

You answered both of these earlier questions as irrevelant, so I'm sure once I see the answer it will make sense, but for now, because they are irrelevant, then I can/should rule out any scenario involving a competition, concert, etc?
Correct. I stand by my irrelevent comments.

Was the artist originally represented or published by the "former" group of they? YES!
Is the artist now still with this group of publishers? No
Is the artist now with a new publisher? Yup

Did the artist record a song with the first group of publishers, and has now re-released the song with a new company? No...

Is it a different song but with the same title? Also no...

Very good questions here. Skirting around the issue at hand, which admitedly, is a little strange.

[Icarus]

Is he an original solo artist versus a front man that went solo?
Did he fulfill his legal obligation to them (probably not if a lawyer is now involved)?
Did he take advantage of a specific claus in his contract to get out from under them?
Did they terminate his contract?
Did the contract end, as written, but the 2 parties did not reach an agreement to renew?

They thought he was suppose to sound different...
---was he in an accident?
---was he a boy, but after puberty his voice didn't change?
---we're they speculating he would sound different due to an event that occured?
---we're they mislead?

They being mad at him...
---Is this justified due to his actions?
---Did he specifically do something that made them believe he would no longer be a sensation?

[L'lanmal]

[dethwing]

Is he an original solo artist No versus a front man that went solo? Yes
Did he fulfill his legal obligation to them (probably not if a lawyer is now involved)? In the end, yes.
Did he take advantage of a specific claus in his contract to get out from under them? No
Did they terminate his contract? Irr
Did the contract end, as written, but the 2 parties did not reach an agreement to renew? Irr

They thought he was suppose to sound different...
---was he in an accident? No
---was he a boy, but after puberty his voice didn't change? No
---we're they speculating he would sound different due to an event that occured? No
---we're they mislead? No

They being mad at him...
---Is this justified due to his actions? Not in my opinion
---Did he specifically do something that made them believe he would no longer be a sensation? No

[MNOWAX]

does this have anythign to do with Vanilla Ice?

Or P. Diddy?
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[dethwing]

does this have anythign to do with Vanilla Ice?

Or P. Diddy? No to both (And how are either of these Rock?)

[lexprod]

Is Queen involved? Are the Beatles involved? Is Kiss involved?
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[dethwing]

s Queen involved? Are the Beatles involved? Is Kiss involved? No to all

Unless you know the story, I don't know if pinpointing the artist will help. Though you can certainly try if you want

[Courk]

Was he a front man for a band that was under a different label than he is under solo?

Did "they" assume he was going to sound different, or did they hope he would sound different?

[Icarus]

Are they mad at a specific song?
Is the song a direct or indirect jab at the former producers? At the former band members?

[Thok]

Were "they" expecting the performances to happen in different languages?

[meh*]

Re-reading the first post, is he Marvin Gaye?

[dethwing]

Was he a front man for a band that was under a different label than he is under solo? Yes

Did "they" assume he was going to sound different, or did they hope he would sound different? Assume

Are they mad at a specific song? Yes!
Is the song a direct or indirect jab at the former producers? At the former band members? No, no Were "they" expecting the performances to happen in different languages? No
Re-reading the first post, is he Marvin Gaye? No

[Thok]

Does the song mention the group the solo artist used to belong to?

[dethwing]

Does the song mention the group the solo artist used to belong to? No

[Icarus]

Would they have been mad at him if he was still with them?
Would they have been mad if a completely different artist performed the song, or is their anger specific to this individual?

Is there any controversy over who owns the rights to the music?
Was the song written while this individual was still with original label, but then released under the new label?

About the only thing that comes to my mind is Metallica/Megadeath Mechanix/Four Horsemen. Dave Mustaine wrote the original music and lyrics, but it was re-written and originally released with Metallica. After Dave's departure from Metallica, he released Mechanix in its' original format.

[dethwing]

Would they have been mad at him if he was still with them? No
Would they have been mad if a completely different artist performed the song, or is their anger specific to this individual? I think it was specific to him

Is there any controversy over who owns the rights to the music? Yesish
Was the song written while this individual was still with original label, but then released under the new label? Noish...

About the only thing that comes to my mind is Metallica/Megadeath Mechanix/Four Horsemen. Dave Mustaine wrote the original music and lyrics, but it was re-written and originally released with Metallica. After Dave's departure from Metallica, he released Mechanix in its' original format.
Nope

[MNOWAX]

does this have anythign to do with a commercial jingle?
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[dethwing]

does this have anythign to do with a commercial jingle? No

[Icarus]

There seems to be unclear controversy over the lyrics and music.

Is the controversy over the lyrics literal, in other words, the words themselves hurt someone? or is the controversy over the lyrics more an ownership issue?

Did the artist write the music and lyrics after departure from them?

Did the performer write a song, but the then producers suggested he change/modify the song?
Did the artist then take his song to a new producer, but used the changes the former producers suggested?

[dethwing]

There seems to be unclear controversy over the lyrics and music. Yes

Is the controversy over the lyrics literal, in other words, the words themselves hurt someone? No or is the controversy over the lyrics more an ownership issue? Yes

Did the artist write the music and lyrics after departure from them? Yesish

Did the performer write a song, but the then producers suggested he change/modify the song? No
Did the artist then take his song to a new producer, but used the changes the former producers suggested? No

[Icarus]

Did the artist write the song himself, start to finish?
Did they hire individuals or provide resources to help the artist write or finish the song?
Did the artist start writing the song while still under contract/obligation to them?
Did he finish writing the song while still under contract/obligation to them?

Is there some kind of work/product clause taking place here (what's the legal term for this?) - did they feel that they owned anything he produced while under their contract?

Do they feel snubbed because they didn't get any credit, or any royalties from the song?

[dethwing]

Did the artist write the song himself, start to finish? Yes
Did they hire individuals or provide resources to help the artist write or finish the song? No
Did the artist start writing the song while still under contract/obligation to them? No
Did he finish writing the song while still under contract/obligation to them? No

Is there some kind of work/product clause taking place here (what's the legal term for this?) - did they feel that they owned anything he produced while under their contract? Yesish, this is on the right track

Do they feel snubbed because they didn't get any credit, or any royalties from the song? Yes, this is the key to the problem. But why did they feel snubbed?

[MNOWAX]

"its that little ting that makes it different" Vanilla Ice when sampling the rock song Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie. thats where i thought this was headed. I was wrong.

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[dethwing]

Ah, yes. Queen would be rock. Fair enough.

[Icarus]

Did the artist win an award for the song?
Was the song a cover, or a remake of an older song? And if so, did the original artist not get any recognition?

Was the song about something the former producers did?
Was the idea for the song something the producers felt they inspired?

Did the artist leave the former producers on good terms?
Was the artist still with the original band, and went solo, thus leaving the band, also leaving "them"? Or was the artist already solo when being represented by them?

Is the artist still solo, or did the artist get back with his original band?

[dethwing]

Did the artist win an award for the song? Irr
Was the song a cover, or a remake of an older song? And if so, did the original artist not get any recognition? No

Was the song about something the former producers did? No
Was the idea for the song something the producers felt they inspired? No

Did the artist leave the former producers on good terms? Yes
Was the artist still with the original band, and went solo, thus leaving the band, also leaving "them"? Or was the artist already solo when being represented by them? I'm afraid I don't know what this question is asking.

He was in a band, under one label. The band split, and went solo, under a new label.

Is the artist still solo, or did the artist get back with his original band? Still solo to this day

[Jack_Ian]

Did he write the song originally with the intention that it would be performed by the original band?
Did the band break up and therefore release him from a personal commitment to release the song under the original label?

[Icarus]

I think I'm starting to run out of idea's and questions.

Were they mad at the lyrics of the song because of the actual words used, or was it because of the way the words sounded?

Is the sound considered unique, and perhaps they felt it was implied that the singing style was unique to them?

Is the artist today in his 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc
Is the artist white, black, asian, other?

Did the band replace him? Are they still together/active?

Is the artist best known for his solo work, or better known for his work when he was with the band?

[dethwing]

Did he write the song originally with the intention that it would be performed by the original band? No
Did the band break up and therefore release him from a personal commitment to release the song under the original label? No
Were they mad at the lyrics of the song because of the actual words used, or was it because of the way the words sounded? Words used

Is the sound considered unique, and perhaps they felt it was implied that the singing style was unique to them? No, but right track

Is the artist today in his 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc 60s
Is the artist white, black, asian, other? White

Did the band replace him? Are they still together/active? No and no. The band simply was disolved

Is the artist best known for his solo work, or better known for his work when he was with the band? Better known for Band, but still fairly well known for solo.

If a hint is needed I'll provide one, I still think you're doing good work so far.