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Composes with itself to be its antiderivative

 
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw



PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

This was UNL's "Problem of the Fortnight" recently, and thought it was kind of cute. Find a function f: R --> R such that :

(f o f)' = f

Or if you prefer this notation:

(d/dx) f(f(x)) = f(x)

Secondly, I know how to find such a function, but I don't know if its unique with this property. Any ideas?
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lostdummy
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

well, one function that should satisfy is: f(x)=0

probably there is another solution, since I doubt above solution would be interesting enough to create problem, but that indicate that such "another" solution at least is not unique ;p
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw



PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

Fine fine, a non-zero function.
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cocoloco
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote


Suppose f is of the form f(x) = a * x^p. Then f(f(x)) = a*(a*x^p)^p = a^(p+1)*x^pē and its derivative is a^(p+1)*(p+1)*x^(pē-1).

Since this polynomial** must have the same degree as f, we get pē-1 = p which resolves to the well-known p = (1+sqrt(5))/2.

And to have the same linear factor before x^p we need to solve a = a^(p+1)*(p+1), so a is the p-th root of 1/(p+1).

**Not sure if 'polynomial' is the correct term since it has irrational exponents, but it should work.

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dethwing
DeTheeThaw



PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Nice, that's the solution I got as well. No idea if any other function would do the job though
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Zag
Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

cocoloco wrote:

Suppose f is of the form f(x) = a * x^p. Then f(f(x)) = a*(a*x^p)^p = a^(p+1)*x^pē and its derivative is a^(p+1)*(p+1)*x^(pē-1).


I'm confused why its derivative isn't a^(p+1) * (pē) * x^(pē-1)

a and p are just constants, right?
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Zag
Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Oh, I get it. You had plugged into it the result from your next step. Cheater!! Enthusiastic Grin
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cocoloco
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

Yeah, looks like I copied the a from the wrong line there. It still works though.
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Zag
Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

How about if it has this form:

f(x) = ab^x
f(f(x)) = ab^(ab^x)
f(f(x))' = ab^(ab^x) 2 ln(ab) (ab^x)

So to make f(f(x))' equal to f(x)

ab^(ab^x) = 1/[2 ln(ab)]

So I guess we could solve for x and find the point at which they cross, but they are never going to be equivalent.
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