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Mystery Hunt 2012 Recast: COMPLETE!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: 1801 Reply with quote

jadesmar wrote:
Do these footballers have football player numbers that may be useful?


You sound like a real fan Razz

I doubt it, players can change numbers throughout their careers. Rick Mirer wore both 3 and 13. Some of these players, like Mirer, were journeymen, they played for lots of teams, so I doubt teams come into play, either.

Here's the definitive site for football stuff:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:49 pm    Post subject: 1802 Reply with quote

When I log in and try to post something, I usually have to log in twice. Anyone else having this problem?

Rick Mirer, pick 2 in '93 -> Jack London (The Road)
Dick Bielski, pick 9 in '55 -> Mark Twain (The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County)
John David Crow, pick 2 in '58 -> Joseph Conrad (Heart of Darkness)
Simeon Rice, pick 3 in '96 -> A A Milne (Winnie the Pooh)
Dewayne Robertson, pick 4 in '03 -> Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)
Billy Sims, pick 1 in '80 -> Martin Luther (?)
Bert Jones, pick 2 in '73 -> Karl Marx (The Communist Manifesto)
Jim Houston, pick 8 in '60 -> William Butler Yeats (The Second Coming)
Michael Clayton, pick 15 in '04 -> F Scott Fitzgerald (Tender is the Night)
Bob Whitfield, pick 8 in '92 -> Alexander Pope (The Dunciad)
Jim Everett, pick 3 in '86 -> Charles Darwin (The Origin of Species)
Russell Okung, pick 6 in '10 -> Franz Kafka (The Trial)
Marshall Faulk, pick 2 in '94 -> Eugene O'Neill (The Iceman cometh)
Kelly Stouffer, pick 6 in '87 -> William Shakespeare (As You Like It)


If you use the picks to index into full names you get "anomemableakua" which seems strangely coherent, even though it's not. Indexing into titles doesn't seem to get anything. It does seem, though, that thinking about draft order is good, since it would be a strange coincidence that all of these players were high round 1 picks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:07 pm    Post subject: 1803 Reply with quote

gftt wrote:
When I log in and try to post something, I usually have to log in twice. Anyone else having this problem?

Yep...every time for as long as I can remember.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: 1804 Reply with quote

gftt wrote:
When I log in and try to post something, I usually have to log in twice. Anyone else having this problem?

If you use the picks to index into full names you get "anomemableakua" which seems strangely coherent, even though it's not. Indexing into titles doesn't seem to get anything. It does seem, though, that thinking about draft order is good, since it would be a strange coincidence that all of these players were high round 1 picks.
When you use the full name of A A Milne, what are you using?

Also, people like Mark Twain, Jack London and maybe Conrad have alternate names.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: 1805 Reply with quote

jadesmar wrote:
When you use the full name of A A Milne, what are you using?

Also, people like Mark Twain, Jack London and maybe Conrad have alternate names.


A A Milne. That's the name everyone knows him by.

If you want to experiment with birth names go right ahead.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:36 am    Post subject: 1806 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
Just looked up the football players, I was only familiar with about half of them.
When I did this one I was familiar with exactly zero of them. Revenge most foul! But I enjoyed the quote hunting stage.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:24 pm    Post subject: 1807 Reply with quote

One notes that all of the players were drafted in different years. Do we have to reorder by draft year? That would raise the question of how the players were originally ordered, however...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: 1808 Reply with quote

I can't see any connection, but I thought this was interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare_%28American_football%29
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: 1809 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
I can't see any connection, but I thought this was interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare_%28American_football%29


Let us know if you find an NFL player named Franz Kafka. Revenge most foul!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: 1810 Reply with quote

There is a Mike Kafka. He's a quarterback, I think he plays for the Eagles.

Hmm...

Russell Okung, pick 6 in '10 -> Franz Kafka (The Trial)
Mike Kafka - drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in the 4th round (122nd overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft.

Kelly Stouffer, pick 6 in '87 -> William Shakespeare (As You Like It)
Stanley Shakespeare played one season in the NFL, 1987, but was undrafted.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: 1811 Reply with quote

Rick Mirer, pick 2 in '93 -> Jack London (The Road)
93 Draft, pick 62 was Antonio London

Dick Bielski, pick 9 in '55 -> Mark Twain (The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County)
95 Draft, no Twains, but pick 77 was Bob Clemens.

John David Crow, pick 2 in '58 -> Joseph Conrad (Heart of Darkness)
58 Draft, pick 58, Bobby Joe Conrad

Simeon Rice, pick 3 in '96 -> A A Milne (Winnie the Pooh)
96 Draft, pick 115, Brian Milne

Dewayne Robertson, pick 4 in '03 -> Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)
03 Draft, no Frost's drafted, but Derrick Frost went undrafted/

Billy Sims, pick 1 in '80 -> Martin Luther (?)
80 Draft, pick 101, Ed Luther

Bert Jones, pick 2 in '73 -> Karl Marx (The Communist Manifesto)
73 Draft, pick 39, Greg Marx

Jim Houston, pick 8 in '60 -> William Butler Yeats (The Second Coming)
60 Draft, no Yeats drafted, but James Yeats went undrafted.

Michael Clayton, pick 15 in '04 -> F Scott Fitzgerald (Tender is the Night)
04 Draft, pick 3, Larry Fitzgerald

Bob Whitfield, pick 8 in '92 -> Alexander Pope (The Dunciad)
92 Draft, pick 33, Marquez Pope

Jim Everett, pick 3 in '86 -> Charles Darwin (The Origin of Species)
86 Draft, pick 106, Matt Darwin

Russell Okung, pick 6 in '10 -> Franz Kafka (The Trial)
10 Draft, pick 122, Mike Kafka

Marshall Faulk, pick 2 in '94 -> Eugene O'Neill (The Iceman cometh)
94 Draft, pick 135, Pat O'Neill

Kelly Stouffer, pick 6 in '87 -> William Shakespeare (As You Like It)
87 Draft, no Shakespeare drafted, but Stanley Shakespeare went undrafted.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: 1812 Reply with quote

Derrick Frost, undrafted in 2003.
Ed Luther, 101st pick in 1980
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: 1813 Reply with quote

And James Yeats, undrafted in 1960.

That completes the list. I've edited these back into my post above. I tried using the pick number of the high draft pick as an extraction method on the name of the new player, but that didn't seem to work.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: 1814 Reply with quote

The list is sorted by the misquoted player's name.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: 1815 Reply with quote

The same extraction doesn't yield anything when sorted by draft year.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: 1816 Reply with quote

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N   Dick Bielski, pick 9 in '55 -> Mark Twain (The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County) 
55 Draft, no Twains, but pick 77 was Bob Clemens.

O   John David Crow, pick 2 in '58 -> Joseph Conrad (Heart of Darkness)
58 Draft, pick 58, Bobby Joe Conrad

A?   Jim Houston, pick 8 in '60 -> William Butler Yeats (The Second Coming)
60 Draft, no Yeats drafted, but James Yeats went undrafted.

R   Bert Jones, pick 2 in '73 -> Karl Marx (The Communist Manifesto)
73 Draft, pick 39, Greg Marx

E   Billy Sims, pick 1 in '80 -> Martin Luther (?)
80 Draft, pick 101, Ed Luther

T   Jim Everett, pick 3 in '86 -> Charles Darwin (The Origin of Species)
86 Draft, pick 106, Matt Darwin

E   Kelly Stouffer, pick 6 in '87 -> William Shakespeare (As You Like It)
87 Draft, no Shakespeare drafted, but Stanley Shakespeare went undrafted.

P   Bob Whitfield, pick 8 in '92 -> Alexander Pope (The Dunciad)
92 Draft, pick 33, Marquez Pope

N   Rick Mirer, pick 2 in '93 -> Jack London (The Road)
93 Draft, pick 62 was Antonio London

A  Marshall Faulk, pick 2 in '94 -> Eugene O'Neill (The Iceman cometh)
94 Draft, pick 135, Pat O'Neill

I   Simeon Rice, pick 3 in '96 -> A A Milne (Winnie the Pooh)
96 Draft, pick 115, Brian Milne

R   Dewayne Robertson, pick 4 in '03 -> Robert Frost (The Road Not Taken)
03 Draft, no Frost's drafted, but Derrick Frost went undrafted/

D   Michael Clayton, pick 15 in '04 -> F Scott Fitzgerald (Tender is the Night)
04 Draft, pick 3, Larry Fitzgerald

A   Russell Okung, pick 6 in '10 -> Franz Kafka (The Trial)
10 Draft, pick 122, Mike Kafka



Order by draft year
Use 1st round draft pick number to index into second player's name
Read up the column
ADRIANPETERAON (mistake in the puzzle? need the 5th drafted player (Tom Moore) not the 8th to pull the required S)
ADRIAN PETERSON
Code:

For the Meta:
7. This man was born to run.
ADRIAN PETERSON = 85
TERRY GENE BOLLEA = 53
JOHN ADAMS = 35
JERRY WEXLER = 17

"Born" hints at birth years. These are all the birth years for each person
Adrian Lewis Peterson (born March 21, 1985)



Call in ADRIAN PETERSON
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: 1817 Reply with quote

Just the meta remains. Here is the completed information, and the flavortext:

Fresh off their triumph on Jeopardy!, the team at IBM realized it was time to implement their long-secret primary goal for Watson: reviewing Broadway plays. With a little new code, Watson 2.0 could now identify the perfect recipe for a smash hit. However, the programmers knew that if Watson’s hidden algorithms were discovered, they would be humiliated and Watson would be dismantled for good…

1. This best-selling book flew off the rack. (Scrabble values)
HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX = 65
VELVET ELVIS = 20
VALLEY = 12
TERMINAL = 10

2. This word might appear in a letter to a valued friend. (Sum of letter values)
ESTEEMED = 76
EBOOK = 48
ADOBO = 37
RACED = 31

3. This food often fails to meet international standards. (Convert LSB from Hex to Dec)
HAMBURGER = 84
MERCURY = 63
COLON = 58
UNION = 42

4. This is part of a lengthy and miserable experience. (Letter count times 5)
I DREAMED A DREAM = 70
CLINTON = 35
CHERRY = 30
DEPOT =25

5. Even the ancient Romans may have had to pay this burden. (Sum of Roman numerals)
LUXURY TAX = 70
BUSINESS TRAVELERS = 56
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES = 52
OKAPI =1

6. You might use the phrase “robbed blind” while talking about this. (Braille dots)
BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID = 79
FORGET PARIS = 34
BATED BREATH = 28
YOKEL =15

7. This man was born to run. (Birth year)
ADRIAN PETERSON = 85
TERRY GENE BOLLEA = 53
JOHN ADAMS = 35
JERRY WEXLER = 17

8. Even a two-bit company must follow these rules. (Binary using I's and O's)
ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION = 82
CAPITOL HILL = 5
FIRESTONE = 2
SLITS = 1
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: 1818 Reply with quote

SuperSlug wrote:
ADRIANPETERAON (mistake in the puzzle? need the 5th drafted player (Tom Moore) not the 8th to pull the required S)

Or use Jim Yates, instead of James Yates, though Football Reference only lists him as James. I found this card:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: 1819 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
SuperSlug wrote:
ADRIANPETERAON (mistake in the puzzle? need the 5th drafted player (Tom Moore) not the 8th to pull the required S)

Or use Jim Yates, instead of James Yates, though Football Reference only lists him as James.


ah, ty
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: 1820 Reply with quote

ADRIAN PETERSON is correct.

And then there was one.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: 1821 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:

3. This food often fails to meet international standards. (Convert LSB from Hex to Dec)
HAMBURGER = 85
MERCURY = 63
COLON = 58
UNION = 42


I have a question. Why is HAMBURGER 85 and not 84?
HAMBURGER = U+1F354
54 base16 -> 5(16) + 4 = 84 base10
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: 1822 Reply with quote

You're correct on that one, and it wouldn't hurt to recheck all of my calculations.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: 1823 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
You're correct on that one, and it wouldn't hurt to recheck all of my calculations.


I did recount the Braille and got the same number.

Edit:


HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX = 65
ESTEEMED = 76
HAMBURGER = 84
I DREAMED A DREAM = 70
LUXURY TAX = 70
BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID = 79
ADRIAN PETERSON = 85
ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION = 82

Using
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#ASCII_printable_characters
Code:

65 76 84 70 70 79 85 82
A  L  T  F  F  O  U  R


ALT F FOUR

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: 1824 Reply with quote

LOL. I have ALTFFOUR sitting on my spreadsheet, and it didn't mean anything to me. I didn't use ASCII, I was just calculating the amount above the threshold that each answer scored, which ends up being the same.

ALT+F4 would certainly make Watson unhappy.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: 1825 Reply with quote

ALT F-FOUR is correct.

Annnddd....that's it. I guess I could find a way to do the runaround, but it's not really worth it. And we finished just in time for next year's Mystery Hunt! Yay!

If you guys want to actually participate this year, and are not on another team, Codex is always open to new people.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: 1826 Reply with quote

LK, sincere thanks for hosting this. It was awesome.

As for next year, the whole hunt happens in a weekend?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:59 pm    Post subject: 1827 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
LK, sincere thanks for hosting this. It was awesome.

As for next year, the whole hunt happens in a weekend?


MLK Jr. weekend at MIT. It starts Fri, January 18th at noon (EST) and finishes when it finishes usually between 36 and 52 hours later. Codex has lots of remote solvers.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: 1828 Reply with quote

Thank you for the puzzles.

I kind of hopped in near the end, and no one complained so I tried to keep going with what I could.

I am interested in helping with Jan 18, or doing this type of year long puzzle hunt next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: 1829 Reply with quote

Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: 1830 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?


A couple dozen, I'd think.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: 1831 Reply with quote

jadesmar wrote:
Thank you for the puzzles.

I kind of hopped in near the end, and no one complained so I tried to keep going with what I could.

I am interested in helping with Jan 18, or doing this type of year long puzzle hunt next year.


This goes for anyone: PM me some contact information (name and e-mail, mostly) and I'll figure out how to get you added to the Codex team (on the mailing list, mostly).

If there is a rerun of the Mystery Hunt next year, I probably won't be the guy to run it. Not that I didn't enjoy this, but I was personally invested in this hunt. It's both harder and less fun if you have no actual connection to the puzzles. I wouldn't be able to hint as effectively, for example.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:00 pm    Post subject: 1832 Reply with quote

LordKinbote wrote:
gftt* wrote:
Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?


A couple dozen, I'd think.


Sounds tempting, although that weekend might be tough. How big is the on-site contingent? Are there really teams of close to 200, as the photo challenge table seems to indicate?

http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/12/puzzles/william_s_bergman/coming_to_a_location_near_you/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: 1833 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
LordKinbote wrote:
gftt* wrote:
Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?


A couple dozen, I'd think.


Sounds tempting, although that weekend might be tough. How big is the on-site contingent? Are there really teams of close to 200, as the photo challenge table seems to indicate?

http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/12/puzzles/william_s_bergman/coming_to_a_location_near_you/


The winning team last year was estimated to have around 200 people on it. Codex is big, but not that big...and probably smaller now that we've won. The on-site contingent is also a couple dozen.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:24 am    Post subject: 1834 Reply with quote

*Applause* Good job, and thanks for solving our puzzles! Felicitous

Miscellaneous FYIs:
+ In response to gftt's question about Coming to a Location Near You: Here are the self-reported team sizes of the 21 teams that made submissions for this puzzle: 17, 20, 25, 25, 28, 29, 29, 30, 30, 35, 39, 40, 40, 53, 75, 75, 75, 95, 104, 180, 182+ (this last team didn't bother to figure out the number since they would fall in the puzzle's last bucket anyhow). Also, I'm pretty sure at least a few of these teams under-reported. *nudge*
+ I feel LordKinbote is under-reporting Codex's team size (both on-site and remote contingents), assuming his "a couple" means 2 and not "a few". If you asked me, I would multiply those numbers by 1.5 or more.
+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:28 am    Post subject: 1835 Reply with quote

kaihuang wrote:

+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.

In return, to set your expectations, I'm just trying to find some fun puzzles. Revenge most foul!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: 1836 Reply with quote

jadesmar wrote:
kaihuang wrote:

+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.

In return, to set your expectations, I'm just trying to find some fun puzzles. Revenge most foul!


That's perfect. I just wanted people not to expect us to go all out and try to be competitive. If someone wants that hunt experience, then there are definitely other teams that can provide it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:40 pm    Post subject: 1837 Reply with quote

I stopped participating a while ago, but I've been following this thread all along. I just wanted to say how impressed I am with both the puzzles and those of you who solved them. Some of the leaps made me say "huh?" and the sheer doggedness left me awed. Well done, all!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:37 am    Post subject: 1838 Reply with quote

jadesmar wrote:
kaihuang wrote:

+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.

In return, to set your expectations, I'm just trying to find some fun puzzles. Revenge most foul!


Ditto.

200 people on a team seems pretty ridiculous, to be honest.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:41 am    Post subject: 1839 Reply with quote

Some more solving stats, now that you've seen them all:

Total batting average:
Including backsolves and bupkis purchases, we received 3,118 answer attempts. 1,672 were correct, or 54% of them.

Highest batting average:
No incorrect answers were submitted for these puzzles, which is a testament to writing or testing or something.
Any Old Puzzle
Argh
Cookin'

Lowest batting average:
My Summer Vacation
1/29 correct answer attempts (3%)
1/18 forward-solves (6%)
(1 team attempted to backsolve 11 times unsuccessfully, then bought the answer)
In this thread there were a couple wrong submissions on this one, but mostly as an effort to guess the answer from having most of the letters.

Most often attempted backsolves:
B.J. Blazkowicz in 'Wintertime for Hitler' - 26
Potlines - 26
The Undiscovered Underground - 25

Most frequently submitted wrong answers:
Arigato or Domo Arigato - submitted for "Sounds Good to Me" 33 times
Chromatic - 15 times on "Of Course"
Pathway - 11 times on 5 different puzzles
Love - 11 times on "Eek!"
Privates - 9 times on "Blinkenlights"

On "Sounds Good to Me", many teams missed the answer length given in the bottom corner. On "Of Course", an intermediate message was "It's Chromatic!" which some took as the answer. Pathway was just a popular backsolve attempt. Love was the first half of the answer on "Eek!". I'm not sure what the deal with Privates was.

First solved:
Star Search (1/13/2012 1:18:52 PM by Setec Astronomy)

Last correct answer submitted:
Phantom of the Operator meta (1/15/2012 3:05:54 PM, by Immoral, Illegal, and Fattening, just before server close)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: 1840 Reply with quote

A quick question the " how hard can it be?" puzzle, how many people actually solved that one? I don't know too many people that have the entire library of top gear at their fingertips ( I mean, how many have one on here? ) (yes that was a thinly veiled brag)
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