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Icarus
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

She was relieved after hearing her hands smelled.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

Would she have been relieved to hear that her feet smelled?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

Are 'she' and 'her' referring to the same person?
Was she unable to smell?
Was she relieved to have hands at all?
Was she relieved that they had a particular odor (for instance, a odor of sweat rather than an odor of gangrene)?

BTW, it's impressive that her hands smelled. I can only smell with my nose. Extreme Delectation
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

Would she have been relieved to hear that her feet smelled? Extreme Delectation She would have stabbed someone. No

Are 'she' and 'her' referring to the same person? No
Was she unable to smell? No
Was she relieved to have hands at all? Not relevant
Was she relieved that they had a particular odor (for instance, a odor of sweat rather than an odor of gangrene)? Kinda Yes but we may have different thoughts here.

BTW, it's impressive that her hands smelled. I can only smell with my nose. I agree - Now that would have been a great lateral Almost Fonz Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Hmmmm... is the "She" in your puzzle a proper noun?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

Was she a pitcher? Did the hands smelling indicate the presence of an illegal substance?

Did she, ahem, relieve herself? Was she relieved by someone else?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

When you say "relieved" do you mean that her mind was set at ease about something she had been worried about?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

Hmmmm... is the "She" in your puzzle a proper noun? Yes Updating this. She is simply refering to a female.

Was she a pitcher? No Did the hands smelling indicate the presence of an illegal substance? No

Did she "she", no, ahem, relieve herself? "her", Yes Was she relieved by someone else? Based on how I'm interpreting what you are asking, No. The "relief" is not referring to "she" being unable to excrement

When you say "relieved" do you mean that her mind was set at ease about something she had been worried about? YES


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Let's assume that "her" in your sentence refers to a girl named Becky.
Was She worried that Becky would be unable to smell?
Was She worried that Becky would be unable to breathe?
Was She worried that Becky would be unable to communicate?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Let's assume that "her" in your sentence refers to a girl named Becky. OK
Was She worried that Becky would be unable to smell? No
Was She worried that Becky would be unable to breathe? No
Was She worried that Becky would be unable to communicate?No
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

Did She hear from Becky that Becky's hands smelled?
If no, then, did She hear that Becky's hands smelled?
If no, then, did Becky's hands smell?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

Did She hear from Becky that Becky's hands smelled?No
If no, then, did She hear that Becky's hands smelled?Yes
If no, then, did Becky's hands smell?YES!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

Was She relieved that Becky's hands smelled?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

Was She relieved that Becky's hands smelled? No
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

Did someone tell She that Becky's hands smelled?
If so, let's call that someone Carl.

Was She relived that Carl was able to tell her that Becky's hands smelled?
Was She relived that Carl could smell?
Would she have been relieved if Carl had told her that Doug's (a fourth, random, person) hands smelled?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:56 am    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

Icarus wrote:
Was she relieved by someone else? Based on how I'm interpreting what you are asking, No. The "relief" is not referring to "she" being unable to excrement
Here, I was actually thinking "relieved" in the sense of "relieved of duty". As in Becky's (or She's) hands smelled, so Becky's senior officer was held accountable and relieved of duty. I was just phrasing unclearly in case there was another transative meaning that I wasn't thinking of. I was only thinking of the excrementing in the previous part.

But you would have still answered no.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

Is She a human? An organization? A robot/computer? A god or God? A female?

Is She an acronym? A nickname?

Did She actually hear with ears? Did She her about Becky's hands? Did She her the smelling of Becky's hands?

Stab in the dark: Was She relieved that Becky's hands were smelled by a creature which uses scent as a means of identification? e.g. She could hear She's dogs smelling Becky's hands, and took that as a sign the dogs would like Becky?

Did Becky's hands have a chemical that could be inhaled nasally on them (besides those normally found on one's hands)? Chloroform or other knockout drug? A mood-altering chemical?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:03 am    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

Did someone tell She that Becky's hands smelled? Kinda Yes but not directly. More so like an open comment.

If so, let's call that someone Carl. Sure

Was She relived that Carl was able to tell her that Becky's hands smelled? No
Was She relived that Carl could smell? No
Would she have been relieved if Carl had told her that Doug's (a fourth, random, person) hands smelled?Certain assumptions would have to happen, but let's say Yes

Is She a human? Yes An organization? No A robot/computer? No A god or God? No A female? Yes

Is She an acronym? No A nickname? No I might have misinterpreted an earlier question about "She" being a proper noun. She and her simply refer to 2 different people.

Did She actually hear with ears? Yes Did She her about Becky's hands? Yes Did She her the smelling of Becky's hands? Knowing your follow up questions, it wasn't the actual "act" of smelling that is important here

Stab in the dark: Was She relieved that Becky's hands were smelled by a creature which uses scent as a means of identification? e.g. She could hear She's dogs smelling Becky's hands, and took that as a sign the dogs would like Becky? No Again my appologies if a previous answer to "she" is leading to confusion. Let's call "she" Kate.

Did Becky's hands have a chemical that could be inhaled nasally on them (besides those normally found on one's hands)? No Chloroform or other knockout drug? No A mood-altering chemical? No
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

To stick with my original theme, I'm going to call Katie by the name of Amy (A,B,C,D...) I'm not being nit-picky, just OCD.

Was Amy relived that Carl could smell?
Would she had been relieved if Becky's handed smelled pleasant?
Did Becky's hand smell pleasant? =D
Are Amy and Becky related (as in family) in some way?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

To stick with my original theme, I'm going to call Katie by the name of Amy (A,B,C,D...) I'm not being nit-picky, just OCD. Good call. Makes sense to me

Was Amy relived that Carl could smell? No
Would she had been relieved if Becky's handed smelled pleasant? NO!
Did Becky's hand smell pleasant? =D NO!!
Are Amy and Becky related (as in family) in some way? YES!

By the way - the CAPS and ! are not a sign of anger from me
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject: 21 Reply with quote

Haha. I figured they meant the point was important, as I'm sure they do. =D

So... was Becky Amy's Daughter?
Was Amy in the Hospital?
Was Becky?
Was Becky a child (we'll say under eight years old).
Was Becky a baby (we'll say under three years old.)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: 22 Reply with quote

So... was Becky Amy's Daughter? Yes
Was Amy in the Hospital? No
Was Becky? No
Was Becky a child (we'll say under eight years old). 9 years old
Was Becky a baby (we'll say under three years old.) No
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: 23 Reply with quote

When Amy heard Carl say that Becky's hands smelled unpleasant, Amy was relieved that Becky's hands smelled unpleasant.
Is the preceding statement consistant with your original statement... =D
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: 24 Reply with quote

When Amy heard Carl say that Becky's hands smelled unpleasantYes for this part, Amy was relieved that Becky's hands smelled unpleasant. No for this part
Is the preceding statement consistant with your original statement... =Dnot 100% consistant You are partially right. I hope this comes through as contructive, not critical. This is a lateral - don't go for the "obvious". Think "cause and effect".

She was relieved after hearing her hands smelled
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: 25 Reply with quote

If Carl had said that Becky's hands did not smell, would Amy have been relieved?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: 26 Reply with quote

If Carl had said that Becky's hands did not smell, would Amy have been relieved? I think we are thinking the same thing here - so NO! But if we are thinking differently, then No
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: 27 Reply with quote

Maybe I should make my intentions clear.
I'm trying to determine why Amy was relieved (I know, duh.)

So was Amy relieved because Carl said something (and he could have said anything and Amy would have been relieved.) I think you're saying no to this.
Was Amy relieved because Becky's hands stunk? (I think you're saying no this as well, since it's possible that Carl could have said Doug's hands stunk, and Amy would have been relieved.)

Hmm... OH!

Did Amy think that Amy stunk (and so she was relieved that it was actually Becky?) I think you're saying no to this, since Amy would have been furious had Becky's feet stuck.
Did Amy think that something else on Becky stunk, and so she was relieved that that it was actually Becky's hands? =D
Was Amy worried about something?
If yes, then was Amy worried about the origin of the smell?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: 28 Reply with quote

Maybe I should make my intentions clear.
I'm trying to determine why Amy was relieved (I know, duh.) Chaz, I've been on the other side of laterals thinking the same as you. Now that I am hosting one, and I know how "simple" the answer will become, it puts a whole new light on the topic. I hope that when the answer is revealed everyone who participated will enjoy it.

So was Amy relieved because Carl said something No - it had to be specifically what he said (and he could have said anything and Amy would have been relieved. No) I think you're saying no to this. Correct - No. Amy wasn't relieved because Carl said something
Was Amy relieved because Becky's hands stunk? NO! She wasn't relieved because of the stink (I think you're saying no this as well, since it's possible that Carl could have said Doug's hands stunk, and Amy would have been relieved.) Again, gonna say yesish to Dougs hands smelling, but only if certain other assumed events then took place

Hmm... OH!

Did Amy think that Amy stunk (and so she was relieved that it was actually Becky?) No, and I didn't even think of that one being thought of, but good insight I think you're saying no to this, since Amy would have been furious had Becky's feet stuck. Let me clarify that. I thought you were making reference to a real life scenario that took place in Everett. An 18 year old girl stabbed a 19 year old boy after she was teased by everyone about how her feet stunk. Amy wouldn't have been furious if she had been told her feet stunk
Did Amy think that something else on Becky stunk No, and so she was relieved that that it was actually Becky's hands? =D No
Was Amy worried about something? YES! Worried might be too strong a word, but answering no would be misleading
If yes, then was Amy worried about the origin of the smell? NO!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: 29 Reply with quote

Was there an external substance on Becky's hands which caused them to stink? (that is, something that might have been easily washed off, like poop, as opposed to something that came from her hands, like an infection or body odor)
Is it important for us to learn what the cause of the stink was?
Was Amy expecting Becky's hand to stink?
Was Amy somehow preventing from making the olfactory observation herself?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: 30 Reply with quote

Was there an external substance on Becky's hands which caused them to stink?YES! (that is, something that might have been easily washed off YES!, like poop YES!, as opposed to something that came from her hands, like an infection or body odor) Yes - the smell was "poop" - although that wasn't exactly the word used Surprised
Is it important for us to learn what the cause of the stink was? Not the cause
Was Amy expecting Becky's hand to stink? No
Was Amy somehow preventing from making the olfactory observation herself? Prevented? - wishy washy - No Explore this some more
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: 31 Reply with quote

Was Amy upset because she thought Carl was using vulgarity? =D
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: 32 Reply with quote

Was Amy upset Upset, No because she thought Carl was using vulgarity? =D No Debated whether or not to split the sentence and answer the "upset" part or not.

Giving this more thought - I think answering the whole question Not Applicable is more helpful
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:56 pm    Post subject: 33 Reply with quote

Hmmmm... Here's what I was thinking (that probably would have made a good lateral as well.) (contains one vulgar word.)


Carl smelled Becky's hands, and said "your hands smell like shit."
Amy said "WHAT DID YOU SAY!?!?"
Carl said, "her hands... they smell like poop."
Amy says "Oh. Okay then."


Could Amy have made the olfactory observation herself

(Also, regardless of what the solution is, I have enjoyed this puzzle, so no worries.) Revenge most foul!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: 34 Reply with quote

Carl smelled Becky's hands, and said "your hands smell like ----." Yes
Amy said "WHAT DID YOU SAY!?!?" No
Carl said, "her hands... they smell like poop." No
Amy says "Oh. Okay then." No


Could Amy have made the olfactory observation herself Maybe
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Were Amy, Becky and Carl in the same room?
Repeat for: Amy/Becky, Amy/Carl, Carl/Becky?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: 36 Reply with quote

Was Becky holding anything else (besides the poop)?

Was Amy happy that Becky's hand smelled like poop, because Becky was holding some of being or creature, and Amy was happy that that being had pooped?

... possibly a baby/puppy/something that had been dangerously constipated?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: 37 Reply with quote

Were Amy, Becky and Carl in the same room? If room being literal, such as in a building, NO. If room being in general, a confined space, YES
Repeat for: Amy/Becky, Amy/Carl, Carl/Becky? They were all together

Was Becky holding anything else (besides the poop)? When? Felicitous No

Was Amy happy that Becky's hand smelled like poop, because Becky was holding some of being or creature, and Amy was happy that that being had pooped? Amy wasn't happy - she was relieved. But anyway, no, nothing to do with a pet. I believe earlier it was stated Becky was the source of the poop.

... possibly a baby/puppy/something that had been dangerously constipated?No
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:01 am    Post subject: 38 Reply with quote

So Becky's hands smelled like Becky's poop?
And that was a relief to Amy?
And Amy was at least as sane as Becky and Carl?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: 39 Reply with quote

So Becky's hands smelled like Becky's poop? Yes
And that was a relief to Amy? NO! A mother doesn't like to hear her daughters hands smell like poop. So...
And Amy was at least as sane as Becky and Carl? Yes. Amy is very sane. As well as Becky and Carl are also very sane (maybe a little immature...)


Chaz - you got distracted from an earlier line of questioning. Go back through some of the previous posts. Something might jump out at you.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: 40 Reply with quote

The place that they all were in -- was it dark?
Were they trapped?
Were they trapped by someone (i.e. intentionally)?
Was there an accident? an explosion?

Was there some initial confusion (perhaps because of something else that Carl had said), which was cleared up when he said that Becky's hands smell?

Were they all speaking in English?
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