The Excessively Bloody Affair of the Belgoody Mafia-FINISHED

[L'layne]

Escaped (2)
Xylax Courk (Town)
Vegetable Lauritz Melchior (Town)

Dead (16)
Jedo the Jedi (Lynched, Day 1 - Town)
Courk (Stabbed, Night 1 - Town)
MacadamiamaN (Shot, Night 1 - Town)
Dan (Lynched, Day 2 - Town)
Faeriefire (Stabbed, Night 2 - Town)
amb (Lynched, Day 3 - Mafia)
Save the Dragons (Stabbed, Night 3 - Town)
mith (Lynched, Day 4 - Mafia)
esme (Stabbed, Night 4 - Town)
IS (Shot, Night 4 - Town)
Persona (Stabbed, Night 5 - Town)
Samadhi Da5id (Lynched/suicide, Day 6 - Mafia)
mgm (Stabbed, Night 6 -Town)
Elite sweetwater (Lynched, Day 7 - Town)
Leonidas (Stabbed, Night 7- Town)
The Cheshire Man (Lynched, Day 8 - Mafia)

Details

[Courk]

[L'layne]

Overly-long intro scene:
The atmosphere was restrained in the lobby of the Belgoody manor. The room was somewhat oversized for the company which had gathered, resulting in large gaps between the small groups of attempted conversation.

It wasn't quite the proverbial dark and stormy night. In fact it was cool and damp, with a low in the 40s, 80% relative humidity, and north-easterly winds of 5-10 MPH. But the air had a heaviness and musty quality which lent a gloomy atmosphere to the countryside.

"Madam Save the Dragons and The Cheshire Man!" announced Eddings, the butler. A butler of the old school, Eddings announced each new arrival and had been flummoxed earlier when Courk stepped out of the shadows rather than arriving through the front door as was proper. The Cheshire Man offered his arm to Save the Dragons, who glared irritatedly at it until The Cheshire Man lowered it.

Eddings announced the last arrival. "Dan, Esq." Crossing the room to the double-doors on the other side, Eddings continued, "Now that we have all arrived, ladies and gentlemen, please enter the main dining hall, where our host, I am lead to understand, has a surprise for you." Here, he opened the door, holding it for the guests.

A large banner was hung above the great dining hall. "Welcome Corleone Mafia!" it read, in large, decorative letters. Mr. Belgoody was seated at the far end, head on the table, and a dagger lodged in his back.

"How horrible!" exclaimed Xylax. esme, mith, MGM and Jedo all hurried forward. Eddings, turning at the commotion, took in the scene. "Oh dear!" he exclaimed, like an outdated C3 model.

"The Corleone Mafia?" asked Vegetable, confused.

"Don't play dumb!" interrupted Internet Stranger gruffly and suspiciously.

"I believe the banner refers to the perpetrators of the latest crime wave," Eddings explained. "The papers have taken to calling them the Corleone Mafia, but at none of the crimes were any witnesses left alive to identify them. There are believed to be at least three of them, possibly four, and all totally and utterly ruthless. I should ring the police." He picked up the phone in the lobby. "The phone's dead!" he exclaimed. As realization appeared to suddenly sink in for Eddings, he clutched his chest and fell on Samadhi. "Heart attack," Samadhi explained, immediately beginning CPR.

Meanwhile, the four detectives seemed to be coming to a concensus that Mr. Belgoody was killed by a right-handed stab, and matched the knife to the same style of those used in the previous Mafia crimes. Doctors Dougette and Faeriefire put the time of death as no more than an hour or two ago.

"Anyone hear anything suspicious?" asked amb.

"I was the first to arrive, 40 minutes ago," explained Leonidas, "and I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary."

"If it happened more than 40 minutes ago, any one of us had opportunity to do it, leave, double-back, and arrive in time for the party," elaborated Elite.

"That's right," agreed MacadamiamaN, who needed to say something to get equal screen-time.

It seems the butler actually did have a heart-attack, with no suspicion of foul play there. In fact, he seemed suspicously like a plot-device to introduce the Mafia which disappears when no longer needed for the story.

So with dead phones, a mafia that will kill all there, any heretofore unmentioned bridges undoubtedly out, and at least one right-handed or ambidexterous killer, it falls on you all to resolve the issue.

13 votes to lynch. A deadline will be announced if progress is not being made.

[L'layne]

I meant the majority of potential votes, not majority of the votes cast.

There are 18 players at the start of the game, and 7 of them are lawyers. This makes a total of 25 votes available. So 13 votes are required for a majority.

(This is as opposed to dethwing's mafia game where players could vote up to 3 times, and all those with more votes than half the number of players were lynched. In that game, multiple people could be lynched each day.)

- L'lanmal

[Mgm]

Random vote:Amb as he's the first lawyer on the list.
Statistics tell me the chance one of the lawyers is scum is higher as there's more of them.

[Internet Stranger]

In order to attempt to avoid the random vote roulette, death to Amb!

Vote: Amb
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[Samadhi]

[Dougette Howser, M.D.]

omg, this murder stuff is seriously sketchy, y'know? i totally can't believe he's all, like, dead? and what's up with that bandwagon vote already? that's kinda sketchy?

Dice Roll:

Original Roll String: 1d17 1 17-Sided Dice Results: 15

[Dougette Howser, M.D.]

Vote: Elite

[Courk]

People who might have killed Belgoody:

amb (lawyer)
Courk (woodswoman)
Dan (lawyer)
esme (detective)
Jedo (detective)
Leo (lawyer)
Sam (doc)
Cheshire Man (woodsman)
Vegt (lawyer)
Xylax (woodsman)

FOS: Persona (Dougette) for voting for someone with no arms and who thus couldn't possibly stab someone (right?).

[Save The Dragons]

Courk: There's 3 or 4 other members, so all we know is that my armless breatheren and I didn't kill Mister Belgoody, which doesn't bar us from other crimes. Although it's probably possible to hold a knife in ones teeth...

Speaking of my armless breatheren...hi fives! Wait a minute...

Random Vote: Samadhi for his random vote comment
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[Vegetable]

Vote IS For accusing me of playing dumb! Also because even as a townie he tends to be a homocidal maniac, but that's just my opinion.

[Internet Stranger]

I only tell you that youre a dumbass when you vote for me.
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[Samadhi]

Are you carrying something over from another game? I don't see where he called you dumb (or playing) in this thread. That's a better reason than many to vote for ya.

Vote: vegetable

[Courk]

Save the Dragons: I'm not sure I understand your post. Could you rephrase it?

[Samadhi]

Oh wait!

[Courk]

...Really? I think I'll operate under the assumption that anyone can be a killer, at least until I re-read the sign up spiel.

[Samadhi]

*whoosh*

[esme]

Do you think the mafia could have chosen the killer?

If so, I would be more inclined to go for a not-right-handed lawyer because the mafia could have expected we concentrate on lawyers first.

[Vegetable]

[mith]

I'm tempted to just post: "random vote: ____" after the discussion over on mafiascum.

Initial thoughts: The Doctor is the only role that wouldn't be particularly powerful in the hands of a scum. If we knew for example that there is definitely a Mafia Doctor, then going after them would be wise, but there is nothing to indicate that the scum assignment was anything other than random. So I'll ignore the doctors for the moment. I would also be reluctant to lynch a Detective early on, as that's our main source of information (plus, I am one).

That leaves the Lawyers and the Woodsmen. Both are potentially very harmful in Mafia hands, and at the moment don't really directly benefit the innocents. This is hugely speculative on my part, but I think it's unlikely a Woodsmen Mafia is our killer; we know that an innocent Woodsmen didn't kill Mr. Belgoody, and one advantage a Woodsmen scum would have is that they can claim to have Vig-killed if a murder gets linked to them later on; that advantage is gone if they get linked to Belgoody.

So, that leaves the Lawyers. My very speculative line of reasoning doesn't necessarily lead me to believe that a Lawyer killed Mr. Belgoody; only that a Woodsmen probably didn't, and I'm reluctant to lynch either of the other two roles on day one. With a bit of partial probability logic (an Ambidexterous Lawyer Scum *could* have killed Mr. Belgoody right handed, but a Right-handed one would have to), and given that Vegt already has one vote because Samadhi got whooshed himself, I will:

Vote: Dan

(Almost random, but hey, it *is* day one. )

[mith]

Oops, missed a sentence:

So, that leaves the Lawyers. My very speculative line of reasoning doesn't necessarily lead me to believe that a Lawyer killed Mr. Belgoody; only that a Woodsmen probably didn't, and I'm reluctant to lynch either of the other two roles on day one. However, lynching a Lawyer that could have made the kill makes more sense than lynching one that couldn't have. With a bit of partial probability logic...

[L'layne]

Its fairly early for one of these but I wanted work on formatting as the lawyers make it less straightfoward then normal.

Vote Talley - 13 votes to lynch

2 Amb (Mgm, IS)
2 IS (Vegetablex2)
2 Samadhi (Save the Dragonsx2)
1 Dan (mith)
1 Vegetable (Samadhi)
1 Elite (Dougette Howser aka Persona)

Let me know if you think this way of formatting is unclear and/or have suggestions.

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[Faeriefire]

I don't think we should lynch either a doctor or a detective (who could potentially give us information, of which we are lacking). So going through the list of woodsmen and lawyers, I think I'll Vote: amb.
It's day 1, we need to get this going so we can get information from the night.

[Courk]

Whoosh indeed. I blame that on it being 2:30 am when I posted.

maybe in the vote counting bold the people who get two votes? The playernamex2 just blends in for me.

[esme]

Ok, you won me for the right-handed side.
Random right-handed lawyer vote: Leonidas

[Samadhi]

Courk: Looks like I got whooshed too. I even read the story.
Meh, still as good as any (he's on the list), so I'll change the reason to "gratuitously using a plot device as a reason to vote"

[Amb]

Vegetable and Save The Dragons

Shame on you. Lawyers, in my opinion shouldnt be involved in voting too early, as their votes are counting double. Take that as you will.



ANyway.

A long time ago when I played Mafia regularly, I suggested a technique that everyone agreed was immensely stupid and lynched me. I still think it would work especially in this game since we already know everyones roles... SO here it is... again....

Doctor chaining.

We have 3 known doctors. The doctors A, B, C (Cos I cant be bothered looking it up right now) should protect each other. A protects B, B protects C, C-A. This gives a few interesting and powerful abilities and possibilities.

1 - If all the doctors are town, the mafia never manage to kill them no matter what. The mafia then will fight a more uphill fight, with three townies that arent going anywhere.

2 - If one of the doctors are mafia, then its not so safe, but we do know if one of the doctors die overnight, that the doctor that was supposed to be protecting them was scummish. This has an obvious risk element that should be weighed carefully.

3 - If more than one of the doctors are mafia, then we are probably screwed because no one will want to lynch a doctor and get it wrong.

I think that we as a town should discuss this, even if its to totally reject it. The way I work in mafia is to copy and paste conversation hunks and look for problems or weaselwords. In a full discussion, the 'silents' become suspects. And anything out of place becomes a gemstone for the town. Discussion is much more fruitful than random voting. This is a line I will always hold in mafia.

The other important consideration is, that the Mafia already know who the doctors are, and that must make them a target, especially if the Cops are not getting straight Guilty/Innocent results.

We should also be discussing with the Woodsman the best way of using them.

Just my opinions. Feel free to rip them apart. I know I can see inherent problems. 3 doctors is not enough, it would be much more stable with 4 for example. There is one inherent major flaw in this logic. I'll be interested to see who triggers to it, and if noone does, Ill post it.

[Amb]

Oh and btw, FaerieFire

[Vegetable]

[Mgm]

I'm glad I've got my vote on you amb, because that last post of yours didn't cut it with me.

[Amb]

Please note, that the purpose of my post is to encourage discussion. I dont care if it gets rubbished. The obvious problem is the detectives. They'd get slaughtered, and not to mention the Woodsmen.

[Faeriefire]

[Internet Stranger]

blah blah blah lets finish off Amb
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[Dan]

I'm out of town till tomorrow night, haven't had time to read a lot of the day. Quick thoughts: bah@mith.

Vote: MacadamiamaN He's the other guy who hasn't talked yet.
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[mith]

Don't bah at me. It's not my fault you are clearly possibly scum.

[Elite]

Dice Roll:

Original Roll String: 1d17 Fixed 1 17-Sided Dice Results: 17

random vote:Dougette Howser (Persona)
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[Mgm]

Let's get back to the start of this day, shall we?

[esme]

[Samadhi]

Mgm: My point was that if there are X amount of suspects, and type Y is the mode, you're not increasing your chances of a correct pick by choosing one of them. The chance of getting a scum is still (# of scum in set)/X.