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 [quote="Suspence"][quote="novice"][quote="Suspence"][quote="novice"]I'm sure we could, although I'm not sure I see the point...[/quote] To solve the Raw Bar puzzle? I've looked at all the characters that would yield a score from 65 to 90. Nothing popped out as food.[/quote] I'd thought we'd want to forward solve Raw Bar. Why that score range? There are food signs from (U+1F344) to (U+1F372), the least significant byte for those signs has a decimal value from 68 to 114.[/quote] For some reason, these food signs weren't on the original list I used. In order to fit into the meta though, the last 2 digits of the code needed to be 40-63 in Hex to tie out to 65-100 in ordinals. Watson answers must score between 65 and 100. [b]EDIT: [/b] I just realized I typed 65-90, not 65-100, thus your question...D'oh! That didn't narrow it enough however. Using your list, they all seem to work. MELON (U+1F348) - 48 - 73 WATERMELON (U+1F349) - 49 - 74 TANGERINE (U+1F34A) - 4A - 75 LEMON (U+1F34B) - 4B - 76 BANANA (U+1F34C) - 4C - 77 PINEAPPLE (U+1F34D) - 4D - 78 RED APPLE (U+1F34E) - 4E - 79 GREEN APPLE (U+1F34F) - 4F - 80 PEAR (U+1F350) - 50 - 81 PEACH (U+1F351) - 51 - 82 CHERRIES (U+1F352) - 52 - 83 STRAWBERRY (U+1F353) - 53 - 84 HAMBURGER (U+1F354) - 54 - 85 SLICE OF PIZZA (U+1F355) - 55 - 86 MEAT ON BONE (U+1F356) - 56 - 87 POULTRY LEG (U+1F357) - 57 - 88 RICE CRACKER (U+1F358) - 58 - 89 RICE BALL (U+1F359) - 59 - 90 COOKED RICE (U+1F35A) - 5A - 91 CURRY AND RICE (U+1F35B) - 5B - 92 STEAMING BOWL (U+1F35C) - 5C - 93 SPAGHETTI (U+1F35D) - 5D - 94 BREAD (U+1F35E) - 5E - 95 FRENCH FRIES (U+1F35F) - 5F - 96 ROASTED SWEET POTATO (U+1F360) - 60 - 97[/quote]
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Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: 1

Anyone want to take a shot at 2011's puzzles while we wait?

EDIT: New thread for this is up.
LordKinbote
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: 0

Quote:
EDIT: In saying that, I should probably add that I'll probably chicken out. I'm fairly phobic of social interaction, and the thought of meeting lots of new people is already making my skin crawl.

Then you'll be in good company. The MIT Hunt takes an antisocial pastime, and turns it social.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: -1

Thanks, I should add that I'll probably chicken out. I'm fairly phobic of social interaction, and the thought of meeting lots of new people is already making my skin crawl.
LordKinbote
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:57 pm    Post subject: -2

Suspence wrote:
Where and what time is that?

Friday (which is, what, the 18th?) at noon, traditionally in Lobby 7...I haven't heard otherwise.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:55 pm    Post subject: -3

Where and what time is that?
guest*
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: -4

LordKinbote wrote:
Yeah, anyone can show up, for any amount of time.

If you're planning to be on site, you might as well try to make it for the opening skit.
LordKinbote
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: -5

Suspence wrote:
Given that I'm in Mass, I wonder if I could be on-site (at least for some of that weekend). Do they let anybody show up? How does that work?

Yeah, anyone can show up, for any amount of time. Codex usually has two to three rooms on campus where people congregate with their laptops. Coming from someone who has done it completely off-site some years and completely on-site in others, I wholeheartedly recommend the latter. I fly halfway across the country to do it, if that tells you anything.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: -6

Scurra wrote:
As I understand it, they have to smuggle you in under cover of darkness, preferably in separate packages that can be reassembled on site.

Given the brilliance of some of the folks involved, I might actually agree to that.
Scurra
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:34 pm    Post subject: -7

As I understand it, they have to smuggle you in under cover of darkness, preferably in separate packages that can be reassembled on site.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:32 pm    Post subject: -8

Given that I'm in Mass, I wonder if I could be on-site (at least for some of that weekend). Do they let anybody show up? How does that work?
kaihuang
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: -9

LordKinbote wrote:
I won't be offended if you want to go to a smaller team. No matter what team you're on, you'll get plenty of solving time. It's just a fun time being on site no matter who you're with.

I plan to have a fun time being not on site, in fact nearly halfway around the world from MIT (at Bengalore, India).
Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: -10

I offered to join Codex first, so I'll stick with that if you will have me LK. I was at least halfway helpful on CISRA, I hope.
LordKinbote
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: -11

Suspence wrote:
I'm open to joining any team that will have me. I've PMed LK already, but if he doesn't think Codex is right for me, I'm happy to join Team Unseen.

Unfortunately, my ability to make final leaps is not all that great, and I can neither do advanced math nor program. I'm very happy to do grunt work, however, and I'm pretty persistent.

I won't be offended if you want to go to a smaller team. No matter what team you're on, you'll get plenty of solving time. It's just a fun time being on site no matter who you're with.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: -12

I'm open to joining any team that will have me. I've PMed LK already, but if he doesn't think Codex is right for me, I'm happy to join Team Unseen.

Unfortunately, my ability to make final leaps is not all that great, and I can neither do advanced math nor program. I'm very happy to do grunt work, however, and I'm pretty persistent.
Scurra
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: -13

Whilst I managed to be away over this weekend and thus missed the big finish, I'd like to say how much I enjoyed the chance to visit puzzles I simply didn't see in the original hunt, and to see how people tackled some I did do.

And on that subject, I'd like to put in a counter-offer to people - I'm currently hunting with Team Unseen, which is something more of a midtable team than the big hitters (like Codex, Manic Sages, SETEC or Palindrome) who are seriously contending for victory, even though I appreciate that Codex are far less likely to be trying that hard for a while... I started out hunting with Codex (that's how I ended up here in the first place) and then managed to leave the year before they won - and thus missed what may have been my one chance to write MIT puzzles!

The tradeoff is that, being a much smaller team, there is a decent chance that you get to actually work on a puzzle you enjoy without someone swooping in and solving it from underneath, sometimes without you even being aware of it happening. On the other hand, this means that we take longer in "unlocking" puzzles, although if the new pattern of keeping the hunt open until essentially the closing ceremony regardless of when it is technically solved is going to continue to be the norm, that makes that feel much less of an issue.

So if you'd like to do the Hunt with a team who definitely aren't going to win (not that I don't think we wouldn't like to, but the probability is low!), then that's an alternative... I know that there are several other Team Unseen people on the GL.
Suspence
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:29 am    Post subject: -14

LordKinbote wrote:
This goes for anyone: PM me some contact information (name and e-mail, mostly) and I'll figure out how to get you added to the Codex team (on the mailing list, mostly).

Count me in, PM sent. I should be able to take Jan 18 off of work, actually since I have a bunch of days I need to get rid of. Should be fun.
LordKinbote
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: -15

MNOWAX wrote:
A quick question the " how hard can it be?" puzzle, how many people actually solved that one? I don't know too many people that have the entire library of top gear at their fingertips ( I mean, how many have one on here? ) (yes that was a thinly veiled brag)

I can stream it on Netflix, up to Series 17, that counts right?

And I'm pretty sure this is what most teams used.
L'lanmal
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: -16

Of puzzles in the William S. Bergman round (which had two unlock groups), the least solved was Good Neighbors (2 teams), followed by 25th Annual Putnam County Debate Tournament (4 teams) and How Hard Could It Be? (4 teams). The most solved was In Vivo (22 teams). 20 teams completed the task for Coming to a Location Near You.
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: -17

MNOWAX wrote:
A quick question the " how hard can it be?" puzzle, how many people actually solved that one? I don't know too many people that have the entire library of top gear at their fingertips ( I mean, how many have one on here? ) (yes that was a thinly veiled brag)

I can stream it on Netflix, up to Series 17, that counts right?
MNOWAX
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: -18

A quick question the " how hard can it be?" puzzle, how many people actually solved that one? I don't know too many people that have the entire library of top gear at their fingertips ( I mean, how many have one on here? ) (yes that was a thinly veiled brag)
L'lanmal
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:41 am    Post subject: -19

Some more solving stats, now that you've seen them all:

Total batting average:
Including backsolves and bupkis purchases, we received 3,118 answer attempts. 1,672 were correct, or 54% of them.

Highest batting average:
No incorrect answers were submitted for these puzzles, which is a testament to writing or testing or something.
Any Old Puzzle
Argh
Cookin'

Lowest batting average:
My Summer Vacation
1/18 forward-solves (6%)
(1 team attempted to backsolve 11 times unsuccessfully, then bought the answer)
In this thread there were a couple wrong submissions on this one, but mostly as an effort to guess the answer from having most of the letters.

Most often attempted backsolves:
B.J. Blazkowicz in 'Wintertime for Hitler' - 26
Potlines - 26
The Undiscovered Underground - 25

Arigato or Domo Arigato - submitted for "Sounds Good to Me" 33 times
Chromatic - 15 times on "Of Course"
Pathway - 11 times on 5 different puzzles
Love - 11 times on "Eek!"
Privates - 9 times on "Blinkenlights"

On "Sounds Good to Me", many teams missed the answer length given in the bottom corner. On "Of Course", an intermediate message was "It's Chromatic!" which some took as the answer. Pathway was just a popular backsolve attempt. Love was the first half of the answer on "Eek!". I'm not sure what the deal with Privates was.

First solved:
Star Search (1/13/2012 1:18:52 PM by Setec Astronomy)

Phantom of the Operator meta (1/15/2012 3:05:54 PM, by Immoral, Illegal, and Fattening, just before server close)
gftt*
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:37 am    Post subject: -20

kaihuang wrote:

+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.

In return, to set your expectations, I'm just trying to find some fun puzzles.

Ditto.

200 people on a team seems pretty ridiculous, to be honest.
Zag
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:40 pm    Post subject: -21

I stopped participating a while ago, but I've been following this thread all along. I just wanted to say how impressed I am with both the puzzles and those of you who solved them. Some of the leaps made me say "huh?" and the sheer doggedness left me awed. Well done, all!
kaihuang
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: -22

kaihuang wrote:

+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.

In return, to set your expectations, I'm just trying to find some fun puzzles.

That's perfect. I just wanted people not to expect us to go all out and try to be competitive. If someone wants that hunt experience, then there are definitely other teams that can provide it.
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:28 am    Post subject: -23

kaihuang wrote:

+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.

In return, to set your expectations, I'm just trying to find some fun puzzles.
kaihuang
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:24 am    Post subject: -24

*Applause* Good job, and thanks for solving our puzzles!

Miscellaneous FYIs:
+ In response to gftt's question about Coming to a Location Near You: Here are the self-reported team sizes of the 21 teams that made submissions for this puzzle: 17, 20, 25, 25, 28, 29, 29, 30, 30, 35, 39, 40, 40, 53, 75, 75, 75, 95, 104, 180, 182+ (this last team didn't bother to figure out the number since they would fall in the puzzle's last bucket anyhow). Also, I'm pretty sure at least a few of these teams under-reported.
+ I feel LordKinbote is under-reporting Codex's team size (both on-site and remote contingents), assuming his "a couple" means 2 and not "a few". If you asked me, I would multiply those numbers by 1.5 or more.
+ Just to set the expectations for those of you who are considering joining Codex -- we are *not* trying to win the hunt next year.
LordKinbote
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject: -25

gftt* wrote:
LordKinbote wrote:
gftt* wrote:
Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?

A couple dozen, I'd think.

Sounds tempting, although that weekend might be tough. How big is the on-site contingent? Are there really teams of close to 200, as the photo challenge table seems to indicate?

http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/12/puzzles/william_s_bergman/coming_to_a_location_near_you/

The winning team last year was estimated to have around 200 people on it. Codex is big, but not that big...and probably smaller now that we've won. The on-site contingent is also a couple dozen.
gftt*
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:00 pm    Post subject: -26

LordKinbote wrote:
gftt* wrote:
Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?

A couple dozen, I'd think.

Sounds tempting, although that weekend might be tough. How big is the on-site contingent? Are there really teams of close to 200, as the photo challenge table seems to indicate?

http://web.mit.edu/puzzle/www/12/puzzles/william_s_bergman/coming_to_a_location_near_you/
LordKinbote
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: -27

Thank you for the puzzles.

I kind of hopped in near the end, and no one complained so I tried to keep going with what I could.

I am interested in helping with Jan 18, or doing this type of year long puzzle hunt next year.

This goes for anyone: PM me some contact information (name and e-mail, mostly) and I'll figure out how to get you added to the Codex team (on the mailing list, mostly).

If there is a rerun of the Mystery Hunt next year, I probably won't be the guy to run it. Not that I didn't enjoy this, but I was personally invested in this hunt. It's both harder and less fun if you have no actual connection to the puzzles. I wouldn't be able to hint as effectively, for example.
LordKinbote
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:35 pm    Post subject: -28

gftt* wrote:
Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?

A couple dozen, I'd think.
gftt*
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: -29

Thanks LK!

How many is "lots"?
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: -30

Thank you for the puzzles.

I kind of hopped in near the end, and no one complained so I tried to keep going with what I could.

I am interested in helping with Jan 18, or doing this type of year long puzzle hunt next year.
LordKinbote
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:59 pm    Post subject: -31

Suspence wrote:
LK, sincere thanks for hosting this. It was awesome.

As for next year, the whole hunt happens in a weekend?

MLK Jr. weekend at MIT. It starts Fri, January 18th at noon (EST) and finishes when it finishes usually between 36 and 52 hours later. Codex has lots of remote solvers.
Suspence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: -32

LK, sincere thanks for hosting this. It was awesome.

As for next year, the whole hunt happens in a weekend?
LordKinbote
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: -33

ALT F-FOUR is correct.

Annnddd....that's it. I guess I could find a way to do the runaround, but it's not really worth it. And we finished just in time for next year's Mystery Hunt! Yay!

If you guys want to actually participate this year, and are not on another team, Codex is always open to new people.
Suspence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: -34

LOL. I have ALTFFOUR sitting on my spreadsheet, and it didn't mean anything to me. I didn't use ASCII, I was just calculating the amount above the threshold that each answer scored, which ends up being the same.

ALT+F4 would certainly make Watson unhappy.
SuperSlug
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: -35

Suspence wrote:
You're correct on that one, and it wouldn't hurt to recheck all of my calculations.

I did recount the Braille and got the same number.

Edit:

HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX = 65
ESTEEMED = 76
HAMBURGER = 84
I DREAMED A DREAM = 70
LUXURY TAX = 70
BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID = 79
ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION = 82

Using
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#ASCII_printable_characters
Code:

65 76 84 70 70 79 85 82
A  L  T  F  F  O  U  R

ALT F FOUR

Call in?
Suspence
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: -36

You're correct on that one, and it wouldn't hurt to recheck all of my calculations.
SuperSlug
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: -37

Suspence wrote:

3. This food often fails to meet international standards. (Convert LSB from Hex to Dec)
HAMBURGER = 85
MERCURY = 63
COLON = 58
UNION = 42

I have a question. Why is HAMBURGER 85 and not 84?
HAMBURGER = U+1F354
54 base16 -> 5(16) + 4 = 84 base10
LordKinbote
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: -38