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| Lucky Wizard |
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:05 am Post subject: 1 |
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Originally posted by Marvin (post 69), and paraphrased by others: Ok, so Jim's wife cooked his dinner the night before he set sail, and mixed substance B into it, which Jim duly ate. Then she got on board the ship and mixed substance A into the food and drink on board ship, which he again consumed after the ship set sail. Substances A and B reacted, producing a toxin that killed Jim.
Originally posted by Marvin, post 52: This food (and hence substance A) was consumed by both the deceased and his crew. Exhibit B, substance B is also a non-toxic solid, this was present in the deceased's body, reacted with substance A to produce a poison, and thus killed the deceased.
I'd say that describes your answer exactly... I'd say when someone knew the answer, it should have been considered solved. The only difference between your answer and what Marvin said is that you stated the word for the type of poison described here, while Marvin didn't. If I had been moderating this lateral, I would have declared it solved at about the time all the facts had been established, and mentioned in the clean-up that this was called a binary poison.
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| Neo |
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:11 pm Post subject: 0 |
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| . Londo did that to Lord Reefa in Babylon 5. |
I don't exactly remember that. I learned of Binary Poisons through WWII books and the History Channel did a documentary on them once long ago. |
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| MBA |
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2002 3:37 pm Post subject: -1 |
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| I've never heard explicitly of the concept of binary poisons, referred to either as that or something else. Oh wait, I HAVE heard of it. Londo did that to Lord Reefa in Babylon 5. Oh well. I was looking for a more fulfilling answer, but I guess there isn't one. Thanks anyway. |
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| Neo |
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:59 pm Post subject: -2 |
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| To me it seemed everybody knew there were two substances, but nobody ever came out and said binary poison...Thats just the way I saw it. |
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| Sessie |
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 5:04 am Post subject: -3 |
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| Is that the answer...? Because it seemed like everyone had already said that... |
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| Neo |
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:43 am Post subject: -4 |
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| Jim's wife used a binary poison. That is, a poison in two parts. Alone, each part is non-lethal, even when ingested. However, when one is ingested and then the other while the first is still in the body, a deadly reaction occurs. Jim's wife put the first part in his dinner before he left. The second part was in the food onboard the yacht. Eventhough the crew ingested the second part of the poison, without the first part, they went on living their lives while Jim's ended. Usually binary poisons don't show up in conventional autopsies. However, Jim was a special case. The toxins were found and Jim's wife got no money, instead it all went to some Gerbil Rehab Charity. |
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| MBA |
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:05 am Post subject: -5 |
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| Can you put us out of our collective misery and post the answer? I think the people still attempting this are stumped on the poision details. |
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| Neo |
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:26 pm Post subject: -6 |
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have most people heard of the type of poison, or is it something we'd have to look up? I don't honestly know
and then what was that Originally posted by Neo: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [give-me]1010001111100110101010111[/give-me] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
thingy a hint as to the type of poison used
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[This message has been edited by Neo (edited 03-28-2002 09:26 AM).] |
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| SaberKitty |
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:25 am Post subject: -7 |
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fine then... have most people heard of the type of poison, or is it something we'd have to look up? and then what was that Originally posted by Neo: [give-me]1010001111100110101010111[/give-me]
thingy
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| Neo |
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:50 am Post subject: -8 |
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Is substance A something that most people have heard of? (substance B?) If so, do most people know that the combination of the two would kill someone if they consumed it? It doesn't matter what exactly A and B are
If substance A was consumed without consuming substance B would they feel any ill effects of it? no (visa versa?)no
Oh, and is that "give me" thingy binary? (because it dosen't make sense to me.121746527 is it's equivelent in oct, 21482839 = decimal, and 124cd57=hex)numbers don't matter |
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| SaberKitty |
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:39 am Post subject: -9 |
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Is substance A something that most people have heard of? (substance B?) If so, do most people know that the combination of the two would kill someone if they consumed it? If substance A was consumed without consuming substance B would they feel any ill effects of it? (visa versa?) Have any of my three questions been asked before?(I read the thread a while ago and don't want to reread it)
[e]Oh, and is that "give me" thingy binary? (because it dosen't make sense to me.121746527 is it's equivelent in oct, 21482839 = decimal, and 124cd57=hex)[/edit]
[This message has been edited by SaberKitty (edited 03-27-2002 11:44 PM).] |
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| Neo |
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:01 am Post subject: -10 |
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| Everybody gave up? |
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| Neo |
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:40 pm Post subject: -11 |
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[give-me]1010001111100110101010111[/give-me]
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| confusion682 |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 11:51 pm Post subject: -12 |
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| Jim's wife fed him two parts of a neuro-toxin that rapidly ate away his nervous system. It took final effect while he was standing next to the edge of the boat causing a massive convulsion that sent him over the side and into the water? |
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| Neo |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 10:10 pm Post subject: -13 |
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| All wrong...Looking for a general classification. That is, the type of poison. |
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| Orbiting |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:15 pm Post subject: -14 |
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Sodium.
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| Antrax |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:14 pm Post subject: -15 |
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She fed him Na (I have no idea what the name of the element is in English) and then made him breath chlorine gas. Then it became salt in his body and he died of a heart attack  Antrax
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| GH |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:53 pm Post subject: -16 |
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Epoxy?  |
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| Neo |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 8:43 pm Post subject: -17 |
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Ok, so Jim's wife cooked his dinner the night before he set sail, and mixed substance B into it, which Jim duly ate. Then she got on board the ship and mixed substance A into the food and drink on board ship, which he again consumed after the ship set sail. Substances A and B reacted, producing a toxin that killed Jim. yes
So the only thing left to discover is what are substances A and B? I don't know how we're going to figure that out, though. you don't need to know exactly what they are (ie whether it's potassium and water or something) but rather the general name for this mixture |
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| MBA |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:40 pm Post subject: -18 |
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Is substances A commonly found in a home? Is substances B commonly found in a home? Is substances A commonly referred to by name? Is substances A commonly referred to by chemical composition? Is substances B commonly referred to by name? Is substances B commonly referred to by chemical composition?
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| Marvin |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 5:33 pm Post subject: -19 |
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Ok, so Jim's wife cooked his dinner the night before he set sail, and mixed substance B into it, which Jim duly ate. Then she got on board the ship and mixed substance A into the food and drink on board ship, which he again consumed after the ship set sail. Substances A and B reacted, producing a toxin that killed Jim. So the only thing left to discover is what are substances A and B? I don't know how we're going to figure that out, though. |
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| Neo |
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:44 am Post subject: -20 |
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| Antrax |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:52 pm Post subject: -21 |
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Did Jim take drugs? Antrax
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| Neo |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:47 pm Post subject: -22 |
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Is Jim a diabetic? no
Did Jim's wife cook him a special farewell meal the night before he set sail? (candlelight, romantic music and a little extra 'seasoning')? yes
Did Jim have the "squirty bottoms"??? no |
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| Suspence |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:00 pm Post subject: -23 |
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Did Jim have the "squirty bottoms"???
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| Marvin |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:14 pm Post subject: -24 |
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| Did I just get an ISE? |
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| Marvin |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:13 pm Post subject: -25 |
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| Did Jim's wife cook him a special farewell meal the night before he set sail? (candlelight, romantic music and a little extra 'seasoning')? |
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| MBA |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 1:37 pm Post subject: -26 |
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| Is Jim a diabetic? |
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| Neo |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:01 am Post subject: -27 |
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| did Jim's wife "keep him up all night" thus requiring Jim to take a stimulant to remain awake, ie. caffeine, ephedrine, . . . no |
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| cubestudent |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:00 am Post subject: -28 |
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did Jim's wife "keep him up all night" thus requiring Jim to take a stimulant to remain awake, ie. caffeine, ephedrine, . . .
if so, is this the second reactant? |
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| Neo |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:01 am Post subject: -29 |
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I left some hints in my answers, but I think Marvin knows the answer, or he does and doesn't know he knows yet  |
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| Neo |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:58 am Post subject: -30 |
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Did Jim's wife know that Jim would do something that the crew would not have done that would make him come in contact with the second reactant? yes
Was this something that Jim did regularly? yes
Is that how his wife knew he would do it? yes
Did Jim have to come in contact with the second reactant? well, for it to get into his body I would assume so
Could he possibly have avoided it? not if his wife was determined to kill him
If one of the crew members followed Jim around and mimicked everything he did after ingesting the poison, would they have died? not if they didn't ingest the ingredients themselves
Knowing where Jim was won't help me guess what the second reactant was? that is correct
does Jim take Dramamine? or something similar? no to both
was it this that reacted with the wife's 'poison'? no
allergies were ruled out
So, we have exhibit A, substance A, a non-toxic solid that was wilfully and maliciously introduced into the food and drink on board the yacht by the defendant, the deceased's wife. This food (and hence substance A) was consumed by both the deceased and his crew. Exhibit B, substance B is also a non-toxic solid, this was present in the deceased's body, reacted with substance A to produce a poison, and thus killed the deceased. Substance B was only present in the deceased's body. correct
First off, am I correct so far? (I certainly hope so!) Was substance B already present in the deceased's body when substance A was consumed? yes Was substance B introduced after substance A was consumed? Does it matter? doesn't matter but for the sake of clarity, Substance A came second and B came first. Does substance A have a known chemical formula (specifically, do you know it, Neo?)don't know it Do you know the chemical formula for substance B? afraid not
Did Jim suffer from seasickness sometimes? no
Was "substance B" added to his seasickness medicine? no
Did Jim eat off of the same plates as the crew? doesn't matter
Did he drink out of the same glases? ditto
Did he use the same utensils? ditto
Did substance B also get into Jim's body by Jim eating something? yes Drinking something? no Some other method?see previous answers Did the wife have anything significant to do with what Jim ate the night before he set sail on the yacht? yes
Is this one of those "joke" laterals, no
[This message has been edited by Neo (edited 03-20-2002 12:58 AM).] |
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| Suspence |
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:44 am Post subject: -31 |
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By second reactant, I mean whatever it was that reacted with what Jim ingested in his food that caused him to die.
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| UnheardVoice |
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:07 pm Post subject: -32 |
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Is this one of those "joke" laterals, like Antrax's when the computer programmer died in the shower when he took literally the "Rinse, Lather, Repeat" instructions on the shampoo bottle?
Do we need to figure out the two hazardous substances in order to solve the lateral? |
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| Marvin |
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 10:20 pm Post subject: -33 |
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Did substance B also get into Jim's body by Jim eating something? Drinking something? Some other method? Did the wife have anything significant to do with what Jim ate the night before he set sail on the yacht? |
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| confusion682 |
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 8:41 pm Post subject: -34 |
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I didn't see this one yet, but doubt it will make a difference.
Did Jim eat off of the same plates as the crew? Did he drink out of the same glases? Did he use the same utensils? |
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| Hugon |
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 8:28 pm Post subject: -35 |
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Did Jim suffer from seasickness sometimes?
Was "substance B" added to his seasickness medicine? |
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| Marvin |
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 6:49 pm Post subject: -36 |
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I think we've already ruled out allergies.
So, we have exhibit A, substance A, a non-toxic solid that was wilfully and maliciously introduced into the food and drink on board the yacht by the defendant, the deceased's wife. This food (and hence substance A) was consumed by both the deceased and his crew. Exhibit B, substance B is also a non-toxic solid, this was present in the deceased's body, reacted with substance A to produce a poison, and thus killed the deceased. Substance B was only present in the deceased's body.
First off, am I correct so far? (I certainly hope so!) Was substance B already present in the deceased's body when substance A was consumed? Was substance B introduced after substance A was consumed? Does it matter? Does substance A have a known chemical formula (specifically, do you know it, Neo?) Do you know the chemical formula for substance B? |
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| Icarus |
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 5:13 pm Post subject: -37 |
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Does Jim have allergies to specific foods, such as peanut oil ?
Did Jim's wife specifically put something Jim was allergic to in his food, knowing it would kill Jim but not the rest of the crew ? |
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| cubestudent |
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 7:50 am Post subject: -38 |
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does Jim take Dramamine? or something similar? was it this that reacted with the wife's 'poison'?
aside: it's been ruled out by now, but my first reaction to the puzzle was that Jim went swimming less than thirty minutes after eating, thus cramping and drowning.  |
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